Partial DIfferential Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a partial differential equation of the form \(\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t^2} - \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2} - u = 0\) with specified boundary and initial conditions. Participants are exploring the method of separation of variables to find a particular solution.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the separation of variables approach, attempting to express the solution as a product of functions of \(x\) and \(t\). Questions arise regarding the correct form of the solutions for both \(X(x)\) and \(T(t)\), particularly in relation to boundary conditions and the implications of the parameter \(\lambda\).

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct form of the general solution for \(T(t)\) and the implications of the boundary conditions. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the parameters and the resulting functions, with no explicit consensus reached on the final solution.

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Participants are navigating through potential confusion regarding the signs in the differential equation and the conditions imposed by the boundary values. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the implications of \(\lambda\) being negative or positive and how that affects the nature of the solutions.

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Solve using separation of variables and find particular solution
[tex]\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t^2} - \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2} - u = 0 \ for\ 0 <x<1, t >0[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial t} (x,0) = 0[/tex]
[tex]0,t) = u(1,t) = 0[/tex]
to assume u(x,t) = X(x) T(t)
then [tex]\frac{X''}{X} = \frac{T'' - T}{T} = \lambda[/tex]
solving for X(x) yields [tex]X(x) = C_{1} \cos{\sqrt{\lambda} x} + C_{2} \sin{\sqrt{\lambda} x}[/tex]
and i get C1 = 0 and C2 assumed to be 1 and [itex]\lambda = \sqrt{n \pi}[/itex]
now for T(t),
[tex]T'' - (1 + n^2 pi^2) T = 0[/tex]
now here is where i am stuck...
is the answer just the
[tex]C_{1} \cos{\sqrt{1 + n^2 \pi^2} t}+ C_{2} \sin{\sqrt{1 + n^2 \pi^2} t}[/tex]
i'm not quite sure what to do after this
the answer in my book is [tex]\cos{\sqrt{n^2 \pi^2 -1}} t} \sin (n \pi x)[/tex]
i got the x part right... but what about the t part
 
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Hi stunner5000pt,

Sorry, I got all confused there, and I read your differential equation backwards. Your problem is simply that [tex]\lambda < 0[/tex] in order to obtain sines and cosines and meet the boundary condition for the x part. In reality, you should have [tex]- \lambda = n^2 \pi^2[/tex] and not [tex]\lambda = n^2 \pi^2[/tex].

Once you have solved the t part, apply the boundary condition you haven't used yet.
 
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the DE is
[tex]\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t^2} - \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2} - u = 0[/tex]

2 negative signs

what is wrong with the equation?
 
Yeah, my fault, I read it as
[tex] \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2} - \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t^2} - u = 0,[/tex]
and then realized my mistake as I was thinking about the solution.
 
uh.. the t part was the part at which i was stuck.

the condition given is [tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial t} (x,0) = 0[/tex]
im not quite sure howto relate this to what i have already...
 
First, as I said, your general solution to the t part in your first post is incorrect, it should be
[tex] T(t) = C_1 \sin{(\sqrt{n^2 \pi^2 -1} \,t )} + C_2 \cos{(\sqrt{n^2 \pi^2 - 1}\, t)}[/tex]
Now, regarding the boundary condition, what do you mean you don't know how to relate it to what you have? Just take the derivative of [tex]u(x,t) = X(x)T(t)[/tex] with respect to t and set it equal to zero for t=0.
 
why should the generla solution for T be that?
 
Read my post 2 above, and try to figure it out.
 
so why should [itex]- \lambda = n^2 \pi^2[/itex]
i m not sure about the 'conditions on the x part' to which you are referring. And wouldn't the solution become imaginary if that was the case?
 
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What is the solution to
[tex] \frac{1}{X}\frac{d^2 X}{dx^2} = \lambda,[/tex]
isn't it
[tex] X = C_1 e^{\sqrt{\lambda} x} + C_2 e^{-\sqrt{\lambda} x}.[/tex]
you get real exponentials and not real sines and cosines if [tex]\lambda > 0[/tex]. If you try applying the boundary conditions with real exponentials then you find [tex]C_1 = C_2 = 0[/tex]. Take it from here.
 
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i get it now lambda mustb e imaginary iof you are going to use Eler's identity and expand E into cos and sin. ANd thus carries onto the T(t) part where C1-0 and C2 =1 and the solution is what appears in the book

thank you for your help! I appreciate it!
 

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