Finding Minimum from a completion of a square

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The discussion revolves around completing the square for the quadratic expression x^2 + 4x - 1 to find its minimum value, followed by various factorization problems involving cubic and quartic equations, and finally a transformation of a trigonometric function into a specific form. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques.

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  • One participant completes the square for x^2 + 4x - 1, resulting in (x+2)^2 - 5, and seeks guidance on finding the minimum value.
  • Another participant questions the smallest possible value for (x+2)^2, suggesting that it occurs at x = -2, yielding a minimum value of -5.
  • Subsequent posts shift focus to factorization of cubic and quartic equations, with participants discussing potential zeroes and the application of the remainder theorem.
  • One participant proposes a factorization for a cubic equation, while others confirm or question the correctness of the factorization.
  • In the context of a quartic equation, participants explore substituting x^2 with t to simplify the factorization process.
  • Discussion also includes transforming a trigonometric function into the form A sin(2t + α), with participants sharing methods for comparing coefficients to derive equations for a and α.
  • There are multiple exchanges about the values of α derived from the tangent function, with participants expressing confusion about the final forms and solutions.

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Participants generally engage in a collaborative exploration of the problems, but there are instances of uncertainty and differing interpretations regarding the factorization and transformation processes. No consensus is reached on the final forms or solutions for some problems.

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Some participants express confusion over the steps involved in factorization and transformation, indicating potential gaps in understanding or missing assumptions. The discussion reflects a range of mathematical techniques and approaches without resolving all uncertainties.

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Students or individuals seeking assistance with quadratic, cubic, and quartic equations, as well as those interested in trigonometric transformations and mathematical problem-solving techniques.

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so the question is:

Complete the square of x^2 + 4x - 1 and hence find the position and value of its minimum.

AFter completing the square i have : (x+2)^2 - 5 ,

How do I find the minimum value from that?

Thanks in advance guys!
 
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What is the smallest possible value for [itex](x+2)^2[/itex]?
 
umm so would x= -2 and y = -5

??
 
Indeed :smile:
 
okaay another questoin...
Factorise and hence solve the equation:

2x^3 + 3x^2 - 8x - 12 = 0

I can't seem to remember how to factorize this because there's a cubic expression! how do i start?
 
Divisors of the constant term (i.e. -12 here) are possible zeroes of your equation. Try to find such a zero and use the fact that if x = a is a zero, you can factor out (x-a).
 
okay thanks, I'm going to try that now, by the way is that what you call the remainder theorem?
 
Okay, so my answer was:

(x-2)(x+2)(2x+3)

is that right?
 
laker_gurl3 said:
Okay, so my answer was:
(x-2)(x+2)(2x+3)
is that right?

You can expand that product and see if it produces your original expression.
 
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So there's this question to factorize:

x^4 - 3x^2 - 10 = 0

How do I start this one because I can't find a factor to go into it.
 
  • #11
laker_gurl3 said:
Okay, so my answer was:
(x-2)(x+2)(2x+3)
is that right?
Yes, which is easy to see if you follow Tide's advice.

laker_gurl3 said:
So there's this question to factorize:
x^4 - 3x^2 - 10 = 0
How do I start this one because I can't find a factor to go into it.
Would it be easier for you to see if you let [itex]x^2 = t[/itex] so it becomes quadratic?

That would give [tex]t^2-3t-10=0[/tex] to factor and then substitute t by x² again.
 
  • #12
so the ans is [tex]\sqrt{5}[/tex] ?
 
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laker_gurl3 said:
so the ans is [tex]\sqrt{5}[/tex] ?

That's one of them! :)
 
  • #14
Ohh is it +/- Square root 5?! lol
 
  • #15
laker_gurl3 said:
Ohh is it +/- Square root 5?! lol
Indeed, unless you're working complex since then a quartic equation has 4 solutions. The ones you found are the only real ones though.
 
  • #16
help with this last one

Express the function [tex]\sqrt{3}\sin{2t} - 3\cos{2t}[/tex] in the form A[tex]\sin{(2t+\alpha)[/tex]


i have no idea what to do
 
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laker_gurl3 said:
Ohh is it +/- Square root 5?! lol

Now you're just guessing!

[tex]t^2 - 3t - 10 = (t-5)(t+2)[/tex]
 
  • #18
Yes, but t was x².
 
  • #19
well if you sub the [tex]x^2[/tex] back into the equation i get [tex]\pm\sqrt{5}[/tex]. is that not correct? and what of the other question? how should i start what am i suppose to do?
 
  • #20
I would 'expand' sin(2t+a) with the formula for addition of angles, being:

[tex]\sin \left( {a + b} \right) = \sin a\cos b + \cos a\sin b[/tex]
 
  • #21
ya i tried to do that but i did not equal the left side... so...? am i doing something wrong?
 
  • #22
It won't be equal to it immediately but some parts will be the same. Identify the other factors with the ones which were there in the given expression.
 
  • #23
ok I am completely lost now here's what i got:

[tex]\sin{2t}\cos{\alpha} + \cos{2t}\sin{\alpha}[/tex]

there's nothing more that i can do to make it look like the right side.
 
  • #24
Don't forget the factor a that was in front of that sine at the RHS.
Then compare the two terms with those on the LHS. What is already equal and which parts do you have to 'make' equal?
 
  • #25
??how do i factor A ?i don't see anything that is equal on the RHS...
 
  • #26
So at the RHS, using that formula gives:

[tex]a\sin \left( {2t + \alpha } \right) = a\sin 2t\cos \alpha + a\cos 2t\sin \alpha[/tex]

Let's compare that to the LHS:

[tex]\sqrt 3 \sin 2t - 3\cos 2t = a\sin 2t\cos \alpha + a\cos 2t\sin \alpha[/tex]

In the first term, we have a sin(2t) at both sides. In the second term, we have a cos(2t) at both sides. If we can get the other parts to equal to, we're there.

For the first term, this means that [itex]a\cos \alpha = \sqrt 3[/itex].
Do you see that? Can you check what that gives for the second term?
 
  • #27
wait how did u get [tex]a\cos{\alpha} = \sqrt{3}[/tex] ??
 
  • #28
I'm only writing the first term of both sides now:

[tex]\boxed{\sqrt 3 }\sin 2t = \boxed{a\cos \alpha }\sin 2t[/tex]

As you can see, the sin(2t) is already there on both sides so of course, that's equal. In order for the entire thing to be equal, the other factors have to be equal as well. Do you see that this gives the equation you just mentioned?
 
  • #29
ok so now that we have [tex]a\cos{\alpha}\sin{2t} = \sqrt{3}\sin{2t}[/tex] what happens then? what am i suppose to do with the [tex]\sqrt{3} = a\cos{\alpha}[/tex]

am i suppose to isolate the a?
 
  • #30
Find another equation by comparing the second terms of each side.
Then you have 2 equations and 2 unknowns (a and alpha).
 

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