Is the Concept of Neighborhoods Essential for Understanding Limits in Calculus?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of limits in calculus, specifically the precision required in defining limits using neighborhoods and closeness in terms of mathematical rigor.

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  • The original poster attempts to articulate the limit definition using informal language about closeness, which prompts questions about the precision of terms like "very close." Some participants suggest that the definition should be more rigorous, referencing the epsilon-delta method as a standard approach.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing clarifications on the definition of limits and suggesting more precise terminology. There is acknowledgment of the need for mathematical rigor in the original poster's phrasing.

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Participants are exploring the implications of using informal language in mathematical definitions and the importance of precision in calculus concepts.

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Is it correct to think about the expresion:
"the limit of f(x) is b when x->a" as saying that for every x that's very close to a but not a (in the deleted neighborhood of a) there is a f(x) that's very close to b (in the neibourhood of b) - or is that not precise enough?
 
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It's definitely not precise enough for a mathematical definition. What do you mean by 'very close to a'. What is 'very close'?
The idea of [itex]\lim_{x\to a}f(x)=b[/itex] is that you can make f(x) as close as you want to b by choosing x close enough (but not equal to) a. By close I mean that the distance |f(x)-b| can be made as small as we want. How small? Smaller than any given positive number.

http://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~kouba/CalcOneDIRECTORY/preciselimdirectory/PreciseLimit.html
 
Might want to use 'gets closer' instead of 'is close to'

Thats pretty much the epsilon delta method.
 
Thanks guys for making that clear.
 

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