Reflection at the Quantum Level

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The discussion revolves around the reflection of photons at the quantum level, particularly in relation to how light behaves when it interacts with mirrors. Participants explore the differences between classical and quantum descriptions of reflection, considering both wave and particle perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant compares the reflection of a tennis ball and a beam of light, suggesting that irregular surfaces may cause variations in reflection angles at the quantum level.
  • Another participant emphasizes the complexity of describing photon reflection from a particle perspective, noting that it requires summing contributions from potential absorption points.
  • A later reply highlights the role of conduction electrons in a typical metal mirror, discussing the implications of electron behavior and momentum conservation during photon absorption and retransmission.
  • One participant expresses confusion about whether a reflected photon is absorbed and then emitted or if it is never absorbed at all.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of photon reflection at the quantum level, with differing views on the particle versus wave descriptions and the role of electron behavior in mirrors.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of photons and electrons, as well as the definitions of reflection in different contexts.

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If i throw a tennis ball against a wall in a 45 degree angle, it reflects with a 45 degree angle. A beam of light against a mirror also reflects in a 45 degree angle.
If i throw a tennis ball against some irregular surface in a 45 degree angle then the ball, depending on the shape of the surface, will possibly not reflect in a 45 degree angle.
If my ball is a photon and my surface is the mirror, at the quantum level the mirror, composed of its atoms and molecules is likely an irregular surface, hence i would expect that a beam of light against a mirror would reflect in an angle depending on where it hit the mirror.
Is a reflected photon absorved and then emitted or is it just never absorved at all? I'm a little confused.
 
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The reflection of a photon by a mirror is simple when described as a part of the "wave" nature of light. You're looking at it from the "particle" point of view and that is a lot more complicated.

To do the light reflection as a particle, you have to sum up the contributions of all the places the light could possibly have been absorbed at, and then, using a "propagator" figure out where the light could have gone from that spot. In the end, you'll get the same answer, but it will take a lot more trouble.

Feynman has a good discussion of this in his lay oriented book "QED, the strange theory of matter and light" ($11 at Amazon):



Carl
 
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If i throw a tennis ball against a wall in a 45 degree angle, it reflects with a 45 degree angle. A beam of light against a mirror also reflects in a 45 degree angle.
If i throw a tennis ball against some irregular surface in a 45 degree angle then the ball, depending on the shape of the surface, will possibly not reflect in a 45 degree angle.
If my ball is a photon and my surface is the mirror, at the quantum level the mirror, composed of its atoms and molecules is likely an irregular surface, hence i would expect that a beam of light against a mirror would reflect in an angle depending on where it hit the mirror.
Is a reflected photon absorved and then emitted or is it just never absorved at all? I'm a little confused.

Notice one very important thing - a typical mirror is made of a metal.

What this implies is that within the visible range, the conduction electrons play the most significant role in this. The transition from one band to the next upon absorption of a photon involves a conservation of the transverse momentum (separated by the reciprocal lattice vector). And because these are electrons, their response to the photons E-field causes a retransmission that lags in phase by pi/2.

Zz.
 
Excellent, that was the only explanation that seemed to fit, thanks.
 

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