Why can wireless internet signals pass through walls when visible light cannot?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the interaction between different frequencies of electromagnetic radiation and the atomic structure of materials, specifically why wireless internet signals (radio waves) and X-rays can pass through walls while visible light cannot. The scope includes conceptual exploration of transparency, absorption, and the behavior of electromagnetic waves in various media.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the mechanisms that allow X-rays and radio waves to pass through walls while visible light is absorbed, seeking to understand the atomic interactions involved.
  • Another participant shares a link to a resource that may provide relevant information about the behavior of different electromagnetic frequencies.
  • A participant discusses the concept of transparency, suggesting that light seen through a hand under strong illumination is emitted by the atoms in the hand rather than transmitted directly through it.
  • There is a query about whether all transparency is a result of atoms generating outgoing frequencies that match incoming ones, raising questions about the nature of transparency across different electromagnetic frequencies.
  • A later reply addresses the nature of transparency in a vacuum versus a medium, noting that atoms can absorb and emit electromagnetic radiation, and discusses the bending of light waves in relation to the size of obstacles compared to the wavelength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the mechanisms of transparency and the behavior of different electromagnetic frequencies, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different aspects of atomic interaction with electromagnetic radiation, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities of these interactions or the conditions under which transparency occurs.

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Hi, the title above is a specific instance of a more general question. I'm basically wondering why the atoms in a wall would prevent visible light from passing through, yet allow both X-rays (which are HIGHER frequency) and radio waves such as 802.11b wireless internet (which are LOWER frequency) to pass through.

What's going on in the interaction between the atoms in the wall and the photons of various frequencies that allows both a higher and a lower frequency light to pass through, while still stopping visible light?

Thanks!
 
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Neat link, Rat. Thanks.
 
Thanks!

That was exactly what I wanted. Thanks a lot!
 
referring to the link explaining xrays down to microwaves, it says that if a strong enough light is shone on a hand then the 'red' frequency of light is not absorbed, but can be seen through the hand.

now in another thread i asked why light doesn't travel through voids in atoms and also the differing properties betweem transparent and none transparent atoms. as far as i could ascertain, light interacts with the atom and the escaping light is not that what hit the atom, but what the atom itself generated in reaction to light hitting it. and when the out going frequencies match the incoming ones, that is what causes transparency. so you when you look through glass you don't see the light from outside, rather the light that the glass atoms are emitting due to the light hitting the glass.

is this the case for all transparency?? ie, the redness seen through a hand under strong light, is light emitted from atoms within the hand rather than the 'red' frequency traveling through??

and just out of curiosity, do atoms interact with all EM frequencies in this way, ie transparency to any EM is merely the atom generating an outgoing frequency the same as the incoming one??
 
Regarding the question about transparency... vacuum is transparent... no absorption/scattering is observed due to lack of atoms and molecules... in a medium however, the atoms may absorb and emit EM rays as stated... there is also a chance of bending of light waves if the obstacle's size (in this case that of the atoms/molecules) is comparable to the wavelength of the wave... Radiowaves have large wavelenghts and can bend over buildings... i hope this helps u out...
 

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