Computing gravitational potential for a point inside the distribution

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The discussion revolves around calculating gravitational potential for a mass density distribution, particularly focusing on points inside the distribution. The original poster raises concerns about the integrand becoming infinite when evaluating the potential at points where the density is non-zero.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the integrand approaching infinity and explore potential workarounds, such as modifying the denominator. There is also mention of using complex analysis techniques, like residues, for integration involving poles.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants questioning the validity of suggested methods and exploring different mathematical techniques. There is no clear consensus on the best approach to handle the integration issue.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating over a volume that includes points where the density is non-zero, raising questions about the mathematical treatment of such singularities.

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The gravitational potential, U, can be calculated at any point, [tex]\[<br /> {\rm{\vec r}}<br /> \][/tex], for a mass density distribution, [tex]\[<br /> {\rm{\rho (r)}}<br /> \][/tex], using the formula:

[tex]\[<br /> {\rm{U = - }}\int_{{\rm{all space}}} {G\frac{{{\rm{\rho }}({\rm{\vec r')}}}}{{\left| {{\rm{ \vec r - \vec r' }}} \right|}}} \,\,\,d^3 {\rm{r'}}<br /> \][/tex].

See:
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/GravitationalPotential.html

My question is how is this calculated for points inside the distribution. For points outside the distribution, [tex]\[<br /> {\rm{\rho (r)}}<br /> \][/tex] is zero, and there is no problem. But inside the distribution where [tex]\[<br /> {\rm{\rho (r)}}<br /> \][/tex] is not zero, there will be points where [tex]\[<br /> {{\rm{\vec r - \vec r' }}}<br /> \][/tex] does become zero and send the integrand to infinity. Wouldn't this cause a problem? And how would you work around it? Thanks.


Could it be as simple as adding a small constant in the denominator that goes to zero after the integration, such as:
[tex]\[<br /> {\rm{U(\vec r) = }}\mathop {\lim }\limits_{\varepsilon \to 0} {\rm{( - }}\int_{{\rm{all space}}} {G\frac{{{\rm{\rho }}({\rm{\vec r')}}}}{{\left| {{\rm{ \vec r - \vec r' }}} \right| + \varepsilon }}} \,\,\,d^3 {\rm{r')}}<br /> \][/tex]
 
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Er... no. One uses techniques such as residues to do such integration that contains poles.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Er... no. One uses techniques such as residues to do such integration that contains poles.

Zz.
As I recall, residuals have to do with the math of complex numbers, which is a 2D construction resolved with line integrals, when here we have a 3D pole/infinity.

Are you referring to a Stoke's theorem or a Divergence theorem to turn integration throughout a volume which has an infinity into a surface integral that surrounds the infinity and so does not integrate through the infinity?
 
Mike2 said:
As I recall, residuals have to do with the math of complex numbers, which is a 2D construction resolved with line integrals, when here we have a 3D pole/infinity.
Are you referring to a Stoke's theorem or a Divergence theorem to turn integration throughout a volume which has an infinity into a surface integral that surrounds the infinity and so does not integrate through the infinity?

Nah-ah. You only make use of the complex plane when you do the contour integrals. Look at your complex analysis text. You'll see many such integrals (real ones) being done using this technique. This integral is very common in E&M.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Nah-ah. You only make use of the complex plane when you do the contour integrals. Look at your complex analysis text. You'll see many such integrals (real ones) being done using this technique. This integral is very common in E&M.
Zz.
I've seen where they use contour integrals to integrate real integrands. They substitute a complex variable for the real variable and do a contour integral. But I've not seen them do this for integrands of more than one real variable, have you? If you don't feel like giving a detailed explanation, perhaps you'd give a few keywords I can look up. Thanks.
 
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