Understanding Factorial Equations: Exam Prep for Tomorrow's Test

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The discussion revolves around understanding factorial equations, specifically the relationship between ((10-n)!)/((8-n)!) and (10-n)(9-n). Participants are preparing for an upcoming exam and seeking clarification on the factorial function and its application in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the definition of the factorial function and its application to the problem. There are attempts to expand factorials and explore cancellation in the numerator and denominator. Some participants express confusion about the definition and the steps involved in the problem.

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There is an active exchange of ideas, with some participants providing insights into the cancellation of terms in the factorials. Guidance is offered regarding the definition of factorials and the importance of showing attempts before receiving assistance. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants are under time constraints due to an impending exam and are navigating the forum's rules regarding assistance and problem-solving approaches.

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How does ((10-n)!)/((8-n)!) = (10-n)(9-n)? I take my 2nd exam tomorrow and I came across this question
 
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First state the definition of the factorial function, then apply it to (10-n)! .
 
What do you mean by definition?

Do you mean the whole entire equation?

If so, it was ((10-n)!)/((8-n)!) >= 9

then it somehow became (10-n)(9-n) >= 9
 
I think I found out, is it because if you expand the factorials out all the way to 0, the (8-n),(7-n),(6-n),(5-n),(4-n),(3-n),(2-n),(1-n) all cancel out in the numerator and denominator? So (10-n) and (9-n) is left?
 
Erzeon said:
How does ((10-n)!)/((8-n)!) = (10-n)(9-n)? I take my 2nd exam tomorrow and I came across this question

that question is so easy!
you know the definition of factorial right? (n(n-1)...3*2*1)
so if you encounter that kind of problem just apply what you learn from the factorial...
Left Side

((10-n)!)-->> you can right this as ((10-n)!)((9-n)!)((8-n)!)...((1-n)!)
and ((8-n)!)-->> you can right this as ((8-n)!)...((1-n)!)

so, if you see ((8-n)!) in the numerator and denominator, it cancels out.
therefore left side = right side...
(10-n)(9-n) = (10-n)(9-n)
 
Thanks, I was blind to not see it.
 
Erzeon said:
I think I found out, is it because if you expand the factorials out all the way to 0, the (8-n),(7-n),(6-n),(5-n),(4-n),(3-n),(2-n),(1-n) all cancel out in the numerator and denominator? So (10-n) and (9-n) is left?

exactly! see it is so easy right?
 
Erzeon said:
Thanks, I was blind to not see it.

no problem... we are all here to benefit frm each others knowledge...
 
Erzeon said:
What do you mean by definition?

I meant just what I said: What is the definition of the factorial function function f(n)=n! .

six789 said:
no problem... we are all here to benefit frm each others knowledge...

Yes, but we do have rules here, which you all agreed to. We don't give assistance until the person asking the question shows an attempt at the problem. Guiding quesitons are OK, but complete solutions are not.
 
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Tom Mattson said:
Yes, but we do have rules here, which you all agreed to. We don't give assistance until the person asking the question shows an attempt at the problem. Guiding questions are OK, but complete solutions are not.

ok then mr. tom mattson...
 
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Dont worry, I had an attempt at the solution before, I asked because I got stuck and didn't think to expand it. What I really needed was a quick answer because my final high school maths exam is on tomorrow and it counts towards my score that determines what courses I can get into.

Yeh it was easy lol, I tried to think of the answer last night while going to sleep but was too tired.:D
 
  • #12
lol... can u check my post, see if you can do it?
 
  • #13
yeh I can, thanks to both of you:D
 
  • #14
can u check if it is correct.., reply on my post, not here...
 

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