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Nov6-05, 04:30 PM   #18
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High Frequencies in Computer CPUs


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Yah but a television is recieving radio waves floating around in the air while wired telephones and computers are sending electronic signals through a wire/silicon track.
The current in a wire moves according to an electric field and the moving electrons generate a magnectic field, so in a wire, in the air or in vacuum we have allways a varying electromagnectic field.
Nov6-05, 04:36 PM   #19
 
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Wait, so a telephone is receiving e/m radiation just like a television's receiver picks up broadcast signals (mind you, not cable TV, just normal broadcast bunny ears tv type signals)? I mean if we're talking about cable tv then yes you are right, however I don't understand how you are right if we are talking about broadcast signals from local stations wirelessly (like how a radio works).
I do not have a cell phone but I do have older technology 900Mhz portable phones. These are so common that I do not even consider an old fashioned hard wired phone. To communicate with the base station my phone broadcasts a weak 900MHz signal.

What ever speed your computer is operating at, mine is ~2GHz, that clock rate must be an actual signal produced by the motherboard. It is an electromagnetic signal carried mainly by the traces on the motherboard but it is impossible to constrain that frequency to the conductors alone. There will always be some power in electromagnetic radiation surrounding the conductors. This signal is essentially broadcast. It is a very weak signal but a signal none the less.
Nov6-05, 05:15 PM   #20

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Well I'm talking about the old old old phones that are actually hard wired into the wall :D
Nov6-05, 05:48 PM   #21
 
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Well I'm talking about the old old old phones that are actually hard wired into the wall :D
Even an old fashioned hard wired Telephone must produce some EM around the wires carrying the signal. It is not in the GHz or perhaps even in the RF range, but it is there. Keep in mind that ALL conducting wires are surrounded by a magnetic field. If the signal the wire is transporting is changing then so is the surrounding magnetic field. A changing magnetic field implies EM radiation. The frequency of the EM radiation will be determined by the frequency content of the signal on the wire. This is basic, inescapable physics.
Nov6-05, 05:52 PM   #22
 
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Clock speed vs CPU speed has become quite a marketing game. See for instance

http://www.computeruser.com/articles...1,0801,03.html

Back in 2001, AMD changed its CPU model numbering to reflect performance levels as opposed to actual clock speeds.
From an Electromagnetic interference standpoint, the speed of the clock signal is probably not going to be as important as the speed that the bus operates at, as the clock would feed only one pin on the CPU, and the bus would feed long wires which radiate better.

As of this writing, the current speed demons are the AMD Athlon XP 3200+ and Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz. The 3200+, based on the AMD's Barton core, is a 2.2GHz CPU that runs on a 400MHz FSB, features 512K of L2 cache, and is built on a 0.13-micron copper fabrication process. Intel's 3.0GHz CPU operates on an 800MHz, quad-pumped FSB, and features 512 KB of full-speed L2 cache and is built on 0.13-micron technology.
It is quite true that a CPU has to be shielded to avoid interference with TV's. The fast rise-times of signals in CPU's allow them to radiate multiple harmonics of the fundamental frequency. Problems with interference are not unheard of in the real world - sometimes this is due to poor shielding on the CPU, sometimes it's due to the TV being sensitve to signals outside the broadcast band range.

For completeness, I ought to look up the TV broadcast bands, but I have to run to the store before they close.
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