Solving a Problem: Calculating Molar Fraction of Freon in a Tank

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The discussion revolves around calculating the molar fraction of Freon in a tank containing pure Azote (Nitrogen) after adding a specified mass of Freon. The problem involves thermodynamic principles and calculations related to gas laws and molar quantities.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving a tank with pure Azote and the addition of Freon, seeking to calculate the molar fraction of Freon.
  • Another participant requests to see the calculations to identify potential errors in the approach.
  • A participant calculates the number of moles of Freon as approximately 7.51161 mol but notes the need for the total number of moles to find the molar fraction.
  • Two methods are proposed for calculating the number of moles of Azote: using volumetric weight and the ideal gas law (PV=nRT), but both methods require the volume of Azote, which is not provided.
  • A later reply clarifies that the entire volume of the tank (60 gallons) is occupied by Azote, suggesting that this volume can be used to calculate the number of moles of Azote.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to calculate the number of moles of Azote to proceed with the problem, but there is some uncertainty regarding the application of the gas laws and the interpretation of the tank's volume.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependency on the volume of Azote for calculations and the assumptions involved in using the ideal gas law. There are unresolved steps regarding the calculations of molar quantities.

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Hi,

here's the problem :

A 60 gal tank contain pure Azote at 36,2 psig and 24,2 °C. We add 908,25 g of freon (CF2Cl2) that evaporate completely. If the temperature of the tank is 8,2 °C :

a) What is the molar fraction of the freon.


I've made some calculation, but it always result that I need the volume of the Azote to continue.
 
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Show us your calculations, and we can tell you where the error is.
 
The molar fraction is the (number of mol for the freon) / (total number of mol). I found the number of mol for the freon = 7,51161 mol.

Now I need the total number of mol. So I need the
(number of mol for the freon) + (number of mol for the azote) / (Molar weight of freon) + (Molar weight of azote).

The only thing that is missing is the (number of mol for the azote). And I found 2 ways to find it

1) volumic weight * Volume
2) PV=nRT ===> n = PV/RT ==> M = m/n ==> m = n*M ...

In each case, I don't have the volume of the azote so I cannot continue
 
simonak said:
2) PV=nRT ===> n = PV/RT ==> M = m/n ==> m = n*M ...

In each case, I don't have the volume of the azote so I cannot continue
Initially, you are told that the entire volume of the tank (ie : 60 gall) contains azote (or Nitrogen) at some P, T. So, the volume of nitrogen is 60 gall. From this you can calculate n as you've proposed above.
 

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