Temperature and frequency in an organ pipe

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between temperature and frequency in the context of an organ pipe that is open at one end and closed at the other. Participants are exploring how to determine the length of the pipe for a specific frequency and how temperature affects the speed of sound, which in turn influences frequency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the formula for the fundamental frequency of an organ pipe but expresses uncertainty about how to relate temperature to frequency. Other participants discuss the effect of temperature on the speed of sound and mention the lack of a specific formula in their resources. There are inquiries about how to derive the wavelength from the frequency and temperature relationship.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing equations and attempting to clarify concepts. Some have provided equations related to the speed of sound and frequency, while others are questioning the applicability of these formulas and seeking further guidance on deriving necessary values.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted absence of specific formulas in the educational materials referenced by participants, which may be impacting their ability to progress. Additionally, assumptions about the constancy of the pipe's length with temperature changes are being discussed.

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The frequency of the note [tex]{\rm F}_4[/tex] is [tex]f_F[/tex].

1. If an organ pipe is open at one end and closed at the other, what length must it have for its fundamental mode to produce this note at a temperature of T? The speed of sound is [tex]v_s[/tex].

I used the equation [tex]f_n = \frac{nv}{4L}[/tex]. Plugging in known values resulted in [tex]L = \frac{1}{4}\frac{v_s}{f_F}[/tex]. This is correct.

2. At what air temperature will the frequency be f? (Ignore the change in length of the pipe due to the temperature change.)

I have no idea how to start this.
 
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will the frequency be f? What's the value of f?

I know the speed of sound varies at different temperatures. Our book/teacher never gave us a formula though. Velocity of sound is given by v = sqrt(B/rho). Where B is the bulk modulus of air and rho is the density. So if you can figure out how B and rho varie with temperature you should get somewhere.

Maybe someone else can help further...
 
You're right about temperature affecting velocity; my book made explicit mention of that.

But, it, too gave no formula for this type of problem in the respective section.
 
I asked my professor and he gave an equation where frequency is 331 + 0.6T.

I tried this, but was unsuccessful.

How do I get wavelength from this?
 

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