Testing an Inverting Amplifier Circuit with R1 = 10k and R2 = 100k

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The discussion revolves around the functionality of an inverting amplifier circuit with specified resistor values (R1 = 10k ohms and R2 = 100k ohms). Participants explore the expected voltage between specific points in the circuit, the concept of gain, and the implications of circuit configuration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the voltage between points A and B would be 0.1 V, given that point B is connected to ground and the input voltage is also 0.1 V.
  • Another participant suggests measuring the output directly instead of calculating the voltage between points A and B.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the "virtual ground" concept in op-amp circuits and indicates that Vab would not be 0.1 V due to the circuit's configuration.
  • There is a proposal that it is possible to achieve a gain of -0.1 by adjusting the resistor values in the circuit.
  • A participant provides a node equation to derive the output voltage, indicating that the gain is -10 based on the resistor values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the voltage between points A and B, with some asserting it would not be 0.1 V while others question the necessity of calculating it. There is also a discussion on the possibility of achieving a gain of -0.1, indicating multiple competing views on circuit behavior.

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Participants reference concepts such as virtual ground and gain calculations, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the circuit's behavior and the implications of the op-amp's characteristics.

Midas_Touch
I have attached an image of an inverting circuit.

If I set R1 = 10 k ohms and R2 = 100 k ohms, I need to verify if this circuit works or not. Therefore, would the voltage between points A and B be equal to 0.1 V since B is connected to ground? The voltage input is 0.1 volts.

Thank you
 

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Why don't you just measure the output?
 
Yeah, I did that too. But one of the questions asks us to determine what the voltage will be between those two points.

Also, is it possible to create a circuit with a -0.1 v gain? I would think so, if I varied the resistors.
 
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Look at the the node equation for the currents entering the (-) terminal.

i.e. (Vin-0)/10k + (Vout-0)/100k = 0
so Vout = -(100k/10k)Vin
note that the gain is 100/10=10 and the output is inverted from the input.

edit:changed sign
 
Midas_Touch said:
I have attached an image of an inverting circuit.
If I set R1 = 10 k ohms and R2 = 100 k ohms, I need to verify if this circuit works or not. Therefore, would the voltage between points A and B be equal to 0.1 V since B is connected to ground? The voltage input is 0.1 volts.
Thank you
Nope. Vab would not be 0.1V. Look for the concept of the "virtual ground" node in your opamp text, and think about what the large open loop gain of the opamp does for you when you close the loop in the inverting (gain = -10X as shown) configuration.

And yes, you can make a gain of -0.1X if you want with this configuration and a different resistor ratio.
 

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