The Dirac delta function question

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Dirac delta function, its properties, and its interpretation within the context of integrals. Participants explore its definition, behavior, and the mathematical implications of integrating this "function" across different scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the integral of the Dirac delta function can equal 1 when it is 0 for all x not equal to 0, suggesting that the integral should be 0.
  • Another participant explains that the Dirac delta function is not a traditional function but a "gadget" that modifies integral behavior, providing an approximation using a sequence of functions.
  • A third participant supports this by stating that the delta function is defined such that its integral over any set not containing 0 is 0, and over any set containing 0 is 1, emphasizing its nature as a distribution.
  • Further contributions clarify alternative approximations to the Dirac delta function, including piecewise definitions that maintain the integral property.
  • There is a minor correction regarding the definition of one of the approximating sequences, with participants discussing the specifics of these definitions.
  • Another participant argues that while the Dirac delta function is not a real function, it can be viewed as a continuous linear functional on certain spaces of test functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the Dirac delta function, with some emphasizing its non-functionality and others asserting its validity as a functional in certain contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise interpretation and classification of the Dirac delta function.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations in defining the Dirac delta function strictly as a function, highlighting its role as a distribution or generalized function. The discussion also reflects varying definitions and approximations that may depend on the context of use.

MathematicalPhysicist
Science Advisor
Gold Member
Messages
4,662
Reaction score
372
in the attatch file there is the dd function.
what i want to know is: when x doesn't equal 0 the function equals 0 and the inegral is the integral of the number 0 which is any constant therefore i think the integral should be equal 0.
can someone show me how this integral equals 1?


for your convinience here is the website that the gif was taken from:
http://www.engr.unl.edu/~glibrary/home/DefineG/node6.html


another thing that i don't understand is how can you restrict an integral with b and a when it equals a constant for example int(b-a):0dx. the anti derevative of 0 is some C now how can you put into a number numbers that propety is only for variables.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
The dirac delta function isn't really a function! Basically, the dirac delta function is really a gadget that modifies how the integral works rather than being something you integrate.

This gadget can be approximated by functions, though. For example, we can define the class of functions:

[tex] \delta_n(x) = \frac{n}{\sqrt{\pi}} e^{-(nx)^2}[/tex]

And then we have, under reasonable circumstances:

[tex] \int_a^b f(x) \delta(x) \, dx<br /> = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \int_a^b f(x) \delta_n(x) \, dx[/tex]


If you plot a few of the functions [itex]\delta_n(x)[/itex], you'll notice that for [itex]x \neq 0[/itex] these functions converge to [itex]0[/itex], and for [itex]x = 0[/itex] these functions diverge to [itex]+\infty[/itex]. Also, the area under each of these curves is [itex]1[/itex]. This is why you think intuitively of the dirac delta "function" as being infinite at [itex]x = 0[/itex] and [itex]0[/itex] everywhere else in such a way that its integral is [itex]1[/itex] iff the region contains [itex]0[/itex].
 
Last edited:
To back up Hurkyl's answer, the delta "function" is defined as the "function" such that the integral of &delta;(x) over any set not containing 0 is 0 and the integral of &delta;(x) over any set containing 0 is 1.

Of course, there is no such function. It is, more correctly, a "distribution" or "generalized function". One can also define it as the "operator" on functions that, to any function f(x), assigns the value f(0). This is true because the integral of f(x)&delta;(x) over all real number is f(0).

If you don't like exponentials, instead of the approximation Hurkyl gave, you can use "dn(x)= 0 for x< -1/n,
n for -1/n<= x<= 1/n
0 for x> 1/n.
dn has the property that the integral from -1/n to 1/n is 1. The "limit" as n goes to infintiy is &delta;(x). I put limit in quotes because, of course, that doesn't actually converge but you can do things like find the Fourier transform of the delta function by finding the Fourier transform of each dn and then take the limit of that.

Hurkyl's sequence consists of differentiable functions, mine, only continuous functions. They would both be referred to as "delta sequences".
 
Minor correction: HallsofIvy's sequence should be either

[tex] d_n(x) = \left\{<br /> \begin{array}{ll}<br /> 0, & x < -\frac{1}{2n} \\<br /> n, & -\frac{1}{2n} \leq x \leq \frac{1}{2n} \\<br /> 0, & \frac{1}{2n} < x<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right[/tex]

or

[tex] d_n(x) = \left\{<br /> \begin{array}{ll}<br /> 0, & x < -\frac{1}{n} \\<br /> n (1 - |x|), & -\frac{1}{n} \leq x \leq \frac{1}{n} \\<br /> 0, & \frac{1}{n} < x<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right[/tex]

(I'm not sure which one he intended)
 
Last edited:
The first was what I intended and you are right- I forgot the "1/2" needed since the rectangle extends a distance 1/n on both sides (and it's not continuous). Thanks.
 
The dirac delta function isn't really a function!
Well, yes it is. It is not a real-function of a real variable, but it is certainly a continuous linear scalar function on some appropriate space of test functions (usually either the Schwarz space of smooth functions of rapid decrease, or the space D of smooth functions with compact support). It is defined by [tex]\delta(f) \equiv f(0)[/tex]. Although it cannot be represented as integration against some locally integrable function:
[tex]T_g(f) = \int g(x)f(x)[/tex]
it is the limit of such function(als) in the topology of distributions, hence often the suggestive if slightly misleading notation:
[tex]\delta(f)\equiv f(0)= \int \delta(x)f(x)[/tex]
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
5K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
10K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
11K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K