Lewis structure- and bases check please

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying which ions or molecules can act as bases, specifically examining H2S, NH4, ALH3, CH3, and NH2. Participants also explore the Lewis structure for the molecule with the skeletal structure O2NONO2, discussing how to represent unbonded electrons.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that H2S can act as a base, while others express doubt about this claim.
  • One participant questions the definition of a base and challenges the choice of H2S as a base.
  • Another participant suggests that NH2 can also act as a base.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the basicity of CH3, with mixed feelings expressed about its role.
  • One participant asserts that H2S behaves as an acid in water, citing its pKa value, and speculates that it might be amphoteric in a liquefied state.
  • Participants discuss the necessity of showing unbonded electrons in Lewis structures for accurate representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether H2S can act as a base, with multiple competing views presented regarding its behavior and the definitions of acids and bases.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved definitions and assumptions regarding acidity and basicity, as well as the representation of Lewis structures, which may affect the conclusions drawn by participants.

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Could you check these?
Which one of the following ions or molecules can act as a base?

H2S NH4 ALH3 CH3 NH2
I chose H2S. Is this correct?

Also I had to weire a resonable lewis structure for the molecule that has the following skeletal structure: O2NONO2

I wrote: O-O-N-O-N-O-O I am not sure how to put the dots around it on this site. Thanks for checking
 
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jewilki1 said:
Could you check these?
Which one of the following ions or molecules can act as a base?
H2S NH4 ALH3 CH3 NH2
I chose H2S. Is this correct?
No, it's not. Why did you choose that ? What is the definition of a bse ?

Also I had to weire a resonable lewis structure for the molecule that has the following skeletal structure: O2NONO2
I wrote: O-O-N-O-N-O-O I am not sure how to put the dots around it on this site. Thanks for checking
Can't say if it's correct unless you show us the unbonded electrons too. You can try using the "code" tags.

Example :

Code:
   ..  ..
 : O = O :
 
H2S CAN act as a base, no? And so can NH2 right? I have mixed feelings about CH3...(nothing like silly questions to confuse your brain huh?)
sorry to butt in, just had a BRUTAL :eek: adv organic test with all these basic/acid strength questions...:smile:

Do what Goku says, but take it from me: know ALL the definitions of acids and bases like THE BACK OF YOUR HAND...and other parts you're...familiar with...
 
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I highly doubt that H2S can behave as a base.
 
Then what is the difference between H2O and H2S? I used the same analogy here, though I'm not surprised I'm wrong :shy:
 
For all practical purposes, H2S acts as an acid. In water H2S is slightly acidic with a pKa of 6.89. I don't know perhaps if you liquified H2S then it would be amphoteric like water.
 

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