Relativity Paradox: Resolving Hand-Waving Questions

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The discussion revolves around the apparent paradox of length contraction in special relativity, particularly focusing on how two observers in relative motion perceive each other's measurements of length. Participants explore the implications of the Lorentz transformation equations and the distinction between what is seen versus what is measured.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that each observer measures the other's meter stick as shorter due to relative motion, raising questions about the resolution of this paradox.
  • Others argue that the perception of size changes with distance, but measurements remain constant, suggesting that the issue lies in the distinction between observation and measurement.
  • A participant introduces the idea of a third observer to illustrate how different perspectives can lead to varying interpretations of size and time synchronization, indicating potential complexities in measuring time across different frames.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the Lorentz contraction applies to the coordinates assigned by observers rather than what is visually perceived, highlighting the difference between "seeing" and "observing" in the context of relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the resolution of the paradox, with multiple competing views and interpretations remaining present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of measurement versus observation, and the implications of synchronization of clocks in different reference frames, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Suppose two observers are in relative motion each carrying a meter stick in a position parallel to the relative motion. Each observer on measurement finds the other's stick shorter than his.
On a lighter note; isn't this situation similar to a situation in which "A" waves his hand to "B", in the rear of a moving vechicle driving away from "B". "A" says "B" gets smaller and "B" says "A" gets smaller?

However, by the Lorentz transformation equations, the length of a body transverse to relative motion is measured the same by all inertial observers. So how is the above apparent paradox resolved?
 
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Reshma said:
Suppose two observers are in relative motion each carrying a meter stick in a position parallel to the relative motion. Each observer on measurement finds the other's stick shorter than his.
On a lighter note; isn't this situation similar to a situation in which "A" waves his hand to "B", in the rear of a moving vechicle driving away from "B". "A" says "B" gets smaller and "B" says "A" gets smaller?
The issue is not what you would see, but rather what you would measure. While it is true that we see objects getting smaller as they recede, it is not true that they are changing size. If we measure a thing as 1 meter when it is close and seems large, we will still measure it to be 1 meter when it is far and seems small.
 
I would say the apparent paradox could be resolved by a third observer : moving away from A makes A smaller but B bigger. However, taking two "similar bodies" A and B, C will measure the same sizes in A and arriving in B... However let's take 2 synchonized clocks by a signal sender in the center of mass of them. Then a moving observer would synchronize when passing in A and arriving in B he will notice his clock is not showing the same as B..(? at least I suppose)...
 
jimmysnyder already gave the answer to this problem, the lorentz contraction formula does not apply to what observers see using light-signals, it applies to the coordinates they assign events in their own reference frame. See jtbell's comment on this thread on the difference between "seeing" and "observing" in relativity.
 

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