image
Physics Forums Logo
image
image
* Register * Upgrade Blogs Library Staff Rules Mark Forums Read
image
image   image
image

Go Back   Physics Forums > Mathematics > General Math


Reply

image infinite dim vector space Share It Thread Tools Search this Thread image
Old Dec14-05, 07:37 AM                  #1
Ratzinger

Ratzinger is Offline:
Posts: 302
infinite dim vector space

We have x=x1(1,0,0) + x2(0,1,0) + x3(0,0,1) to represent R^3. That's a finite dimensional vector space. So what do we need infinite dimensional vector space for? Why do we need (1,0,0,...), (0,1,0,0,...), etc. bases vectors to represent R^1 ?
  Reply With Quote
Old Dec14-05, 07:55 AM                  #2
TD

TD is Offline:
Posts: 1,023
Recognitions:
Homework Helper Homework Helper
Originally Posted by Ratzinger
We have x=x1(1,0,0) + x2(0,1,0) + x3(0,0,1) to represent R^3. That's a finite dimensional vector space. So what do we need infinite dimensional vector space for? Why do we need (1,0,0,...), (0,1,0,0,...), etc. bases vectors to represent R^1 ?
To represent R^1, you only need 1 vector. A vector space of dimension n is spanned by a basis of n vectors, just as in your example of R^3. This is because a basis needs to span the vector space (which means you need *at least* n vectors) and has to be linearly independant (which means you can only have *at most* n vectors) which makes the number of vectors in the basis exactly n.

Then, what do we need vector spaces with infinite dimension? Consider the vectorspace LaTeX Code: \\mathbb{R}\\left[ X \\right] which is the vector space of all polynomials in x over R. This is trivially an infinite dimensional vector space since a finite number of vectors in a basis contains a vector with a maximum degree r, meaning that x^(r+1) and higher cannot be formed.
  Reply With Quote
Old Dec14-05, 08:14 AM                  #3
HallsofIvy

PF Mentor

HallsofIvy is Offline:
Posts: 24,778
"Functional Analysis" makes intensive use of "function spaces"- infinite dimensional vector spaces of functions satisfying certain conditions. TD gave a simple example- the space of all polynomials. Perhaps the most important is L2(X), the vector space of all functions whose squares are Lebesque integrable on set X.
  Reply With Quote
Old Dec14-05, 11:14 AM       Last edited by NateTG; Dec14-05 at 12:24 PM.. Reason: Because I forgot half of what I needed to out in.            #4
NateTG

NateTG is Offline:
Posts: 2,519
Recognitions:
Homework Helper Homework Helper
Science Advisor Science Advisor
Another familiar example of an infinite dimensional vector space is functions from an infinite domain to a ring
Consider that the space of functions
LaTeX Code: f:A \\rightarrow R
from some set LaTeX Code: A to a ring LaTeX Code: R
is a vector space with dimensions indexed on LaTeX Code: A
since we have a vector
LaTeX Code: f(a)=r
or
LaTeX Code: f_a=r
Scalar multiplication, and vector addition are performed using the ring.
  Reply With Quote
Old Dec14-05, 11:27 AM                  #5
matt grime

Math Guru 2008

matt grime is Offline:
Posts: 9,385
Recognitions:
Homework Helper Homework Helper
Science Advisor Science Advisor
I think you should reconsider that example, NateTG. How is *a* function a vector space? Over what field? And what are its elements
  Reply With Quote
image image
Reply
Thread Tools


Similar Threads for: infinite dim vector space
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cardinality of a basis of an infinite-dimensional vector space andytoh Linear & Abstract Algebra 7 Jun10-08 08:59 PM
Converting a vector from world space to local space Bobolis Classical Physics 0 Jan28-08 03:41 AM
Vector Space Algebra of Minkowski Space thermobum Linear & Abstract Algebra 4 Jan2-08 02:25 AM
Infinite vector space Awatarn Linear & Abstract Algebra 10 Jul31-06 10:19 PM
Every vector space is the dual of some other vector space ak416 Calculus & Beyond 9 Jun12-06 08:00 AM

Powered by vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. © 2009 Physics Forums
Sciam | physorgPhysorg.com Science News Partner
image
image   image