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    Plato was right Timocracy vs. Tyranny / Democracy

    Yes you have read Republic! Good to know. I do not agree with your viewpoint on 'subjectivity' and 'objectivity'. I am a scientist and engineer by profession and when you break an observation down far enough, nothing is truly 'objective'. Now there would be plenty of ways to determine whom...
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    Plato was right Timocracy vs. Tyranny / Democracy

    And what if the heads of the governed have been brainwashed, are ignorant, or just plain unintelligent? Do you want this group making the decisions that determine the way you live your one life? I sure do not. Your Question: How do you ensure benevolence? Answer: Again, read 'Republic'...
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    Plato was right Timocracy vs. Tyranny / Democracy

    Ok that does not help anything. 'Effectiveness in establishing'. That is what we are after. How do you effectively establish everything you mentioned? That is the reason for this thread. Let's stay on point.
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    Plato was right Timocracy vs. Tyranny / Democracy

    Logic. Reason. Argumentation. Hypothesis. Trial and Error. All pillars of any great science or philosophical breakthrough. All parts of Plato's Republic, which started this thread.
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    Plato was right Timocracy vs. Tyranny / Democracy

    You're idea of Timocracy is incorrect. Timocracy does not select the most capable of governing. Timocracy selects the most honorable, courageous, passionate, knowledgeable, and giving of a society and allows them to govern. This is completely different than a business corporation where yes...
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    Plato was right Timocracy vs. Tyranny / Democracy

    And that is the million dollar question :wink: I think the argument is stronger for the tyranny of the few, as long as the few are honorable, courageous, passionate, knowledgeable, and giving. Plato's Timocracy included a method of selection that ensured only the honorable, courageous...
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    Plato was right Timocracy vs. Tyranny / Democracy

    No. Please read Plato's Republic for answer.
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    Plato was right Timocracy vs. Tyranny / Democracy

    It light of the recent worldwide uprisings (Egypt, Iran, Bahrain, Madison - Wisconsin, to name a few), our 'democratic' world is proving it is indeed in dire need of directional change. Let us investigate 'Republic' by Plato. 'Republic' ranks four forms of government. In the ranking...
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    Shut Up and Calculate!

    Not to beat a dead horse, but I was reading an article today on Bell and found out Philosophy was his first passion as well. Funny Einstein and Bell, two of the greatest thinkers of our time, first fell in love with philosophy. Funny also that Bell considered QM the greatest FAPP (For all...
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    Shut Up and Calculate!

    Well looks like no one agrees with Lee Smolin or I and thinks Physics is progressing in the right direction. That's all I really wanted to find out. Interesting...thank you all
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    Shut Up and Calculate!

    First off, I'm not trying to get personal with anyone as my aim is simply to discuss a topic that I've always wondered about. Agreed but with an asterisk. See why in comments below. That's the hard part for me to accept. Granted I don't have a PHD is physics, I took the first 3 years of...
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    Shut Up and Calculate!

    Ok so Mr. Einstein was pretty good at math. But remember there were thousands at the time who were better than him. So being the best at 'shutting up and calculating' doesn't seem to produce productive results. And as far as a dreamer, in his first major breakthrough (SR), he, himself, Mr...
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    Shut Up and Calculate!

    "Calcualte first" unfortunately wouldn't apply to physicists such as Einstein and Smolin. But the story of the advice your QM teacher told you is a great example of 'The Trouble with Physics'. Recommended read if you have time.
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    Shut Up and Calculate!

    Just a general topic here. Hope I don't offend anyone. Curious to see what everyone else thinks about this. I read Lee Smolin's 'Trouble with Physics' a certain amount of time ago and found myself agreeing with him in many respects. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the physics community as...
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    Overpopulation, serious political and economical problems

    Draw 3 interesting circles and fill them in accordingly. It might take you 2 minutes if you're struggling to draw a circle. You will see the light!
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    Can there be a definite line between right and wrong?

    The security guard must have thought you were smoking something. Think about this: Event A: The time it took to locate a security guard, explain to him why you were giving him a dollar, and convince him that you weren't crazy. Event B: Using that same amount of time to write someone in...
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    Will there be a new Einstein ?

    The math involved in QED ruined it all! Maxwell, newton, albert...useful math (stuff i can actually see and feel).
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