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1. ### Calculate the forces and the work

Homework Statement A wheel moves to the rigth and rotates like a wheel of a bike. There are 2 bodies: - the wheel (red circle) + 2 red walls - the black arm The ground is fixed. The black arm can rotate around the red axis. The red axis is fixed to the wheel. There is no friction. The...
2. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

I change the expression of the force F3 because I divided by 4 but it's because I knew the result (sum of forces =0). So the integrals are: ##F_3x = \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} \int_{0}^{0.5} x \frac{\cos(\arctan(\frac{1.5+x\sin(y)}{x\cos(y)}))}{(x\cos(y))^2 + (1.5+x\sin(y))^2} dxdy = 0.0264##...
3. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

Because if I rotate the device of an angle, for example 0.1 rd, then the sum of the energy is not at 0. I studied some others examples, easier, and I always found the sum of energy at 0. For example, if I take the center of rotation of the black arm in the red dot, then the sum of energy is 0...
4. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

Maybe you don't understand something in the device. It is not so difficult than that. The balls are small like molecules of water, so I can use the law of pressure with a fluid (no friction). The balls have no mass. Imagine the half disk with water under gravity: I can calculate the forces and...
5. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

It is a homework, I need to write a program to simulate an object in 2 dimensions with graphical animation, I need to apply in my program integrals (and I can't use library, I need to write all the algorythm). I don't understand why I can't use the integrals, I know the law of attraction, so the...
6. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

I don't know how to use the method of the gradients of the energy. Like I said I need to use the integrals.
7. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

I would like to know if my forces F1, F2 and F3 and my torques T1 and T2 are correct because it is the part of the question. And after, I would like to know if my integrals about the work on the black arm is correct because the solution must use the integrals.
8. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

I would like to find the error in my integrals. I think it is the work to change the length of the black arm but I don't find the good integral. The device is not a single body. There is the red wall, it is free to rotate around the fixed red axis. There is the semicircle, it is free to rotate...
9. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

The black dot is took by the telescopic black arm. I drawn without the red wall and without the balls: The black dot have a circular trajectory (dotted line), radius = 1.5, center = red axis. But this trajectory is controlled by the black arm. The black arm must turn around the green center...
10. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

Correct I'm not sure to understand your sentence. The red wall is free to turn around the red axis. But there is a motor that force it to turn clockwise (balls are always at the same position in the half disk). The red axis is fixed to the ground: The telescopic arm (black arm) is free to...
11. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

The semicircle has the black axis of rotation (the center of the circle) and this axis is take by the black arm. Look at the image, it's possible to see it under the balls. But I redrawn without the balls and without the red wall: I drawn 2 spokes but they are not necessary in the same plan...
12. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

I forgot something important that I added in the message #3, the red wall is not attached to the half circle. There is a motor on the red axis that force the red wall to rotate clockwise and to follow the half disk. I think like it was a fluid (it's a theoretical problem: the balls are very...
13. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

The forces F1 and F2 come from the pressure on the walls, respectively the red wall and the half circle. F2 is the force from the half circle. The fluid gives a pressure to the half circle and I represent the sum of all forces from pressure on the center of the circle. For me, like the force of...
14. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

The forces F1 and F2 come from the pressure on the walls, respectively the red wall and the half circle. F2 is the force from the half circle. The fluid gives a pressure to the half circle and I represent the sum of all forces from pressure on the center of the circle. For me, like the force of...
15. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

Anybody understand my problem ? The integrals are ok ?
16. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

It's a theoretical problem, the balls are like molecules of water, very small, no friction. The springs replace the gravity. There are 2 bodies.The red wall is a body, and there is another body: the half circle with its black center. The black arm is fixed on this black center so its length must...
17. ### Calculate a torque from a pressure

Homework Statement Hi :smile: Calculate the forces F1, F2, F3. F1 is the force on the red wall. F2 is the force on the black center and F3 is the force from springs on the red center. Calculate the torques T1 from F1 and T2 from F2 and give the energy from these torques for and angle of 0.2...
18. ### The position of a point in 2 rotations with 2 axes

Hello, I simulated it on Ansys Spaceclaim. It's ok, a fixed point on the disk moves up/down like I thought (altitude from the ground). The disk rotates around itself without friction and even at start there is no rotation around itself but the angular velocity is lower than the support. The...
19. ### The position of a point in 2 rotations with 2 axes

Nobody ? The question is not clear ?
20. ### The position of a point in 2 rotations with 2 axes

Nobody knows ? I tested all this afternoon and I see the point A moves up/down like I drawn.
21. ### The position of a point in 2 rotations with 2 axes

The angle is more like that in fact: I tested with an angle from 0° to 20° and with ##\omega_1=0##: the point A moves up/down like I drawn before, I can't test with an higher angle. Does someone knows if the point A changes its "altitude" when the support rotates and ##\omega_1=0## ?
22. ### The position of a point in 2 rotations with 2 axes

Homework Statement It's a question I ask to myself. A support turns at ##w_0## and can accelerate. A disk on the support can turn around itself (side view) but at start ##w_1=0##. I done the experimentation with 2 wheels but I'm not sure about my tests. There is an angle between 2 axes: The...
23. ### Work of a point on a cycloid

I was wrong, I took the bad angle, P is not necessary, I use T : T=sin(t) / (1-cos(t)) \int_{\alpha_0}^{\alpha_1} \sqrt(2-2cos(t)) * cos(atan(T)-3*pi/2+t)
24. ### Work of a point on a cycloid

I'm agree with the velocity ##v\sin(\theta)## if ##v=\omega R##, correct ? I have 2 questions: 1/ how can I integrate along the arc (angle dl/r) ? I don't understand the method, if you could explain a little more your method please ? 2/ Why I can't integrate twice my integral ? I can...
25. ### Work of a point on a cycloid

I found an expression for the angle, and like that I can integrate for any value without the function abs : P=-1/( sin(t) / (1-cos(t))) \int_{\alpha_0}^{\alpha_1} \sqrt(2-2cos(t)) * cos(atan(P)-3*pi/2+t) I give the link to see the result: link If someone could said if the expression is good...
26. ### Work of a point on a cycloid

Here the integral but I will try to optimise them, I have difficulties with the angle, I think the rest of the calculations are correct: http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/901/PJ5vj0.png [Broken] http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/q4trAN.png [Broken] I give the code for a numerical...
27. ### Work of a point on a cycloid

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28. ### Work of a point on a cycloid

Hello, I wrote all the equations and integrate the work. Haruspex, I need to add the length of the arc in my equation ? If I want the work, I can multiply my result by the length of the arc and by the depth, no ? Equation of the cycloid: Radius=R=1 x=t-sin(t) y=1-cos(t) Length of a small...
29. ### Work of a point on a cycloid

Sure, the cylinder (the circle) is rigid. Why it's irrelevant ? I found integrales and I just want to be sure. It's only a point that moves with a force on it (with an angle) on it, it's not so complex than that.
30. ### Work of a point on a cycloid

A point moves, so there is a length, ok ? If the depth is at 1 the formula F=P*S is the same with F=P*L because S=L*depth, ok ? S is not a variable, because the problem is only a 2D problem, I added S because you want to know the force from the pressure.
31. ### Work of a point on a cycloid

The force is F=P*S (pressure*surface) if the depth is 1 the force is F=P*L (pressure*length) A point needs an energy but another one gives this same energy. If I calculate the work all around the circle (for each point) the sum is at 0. I think it's a simple exercice, no friction, and only a...
32. ### Work of a point on a cycloid

Yes, it is the only picture I have. And yes, classical mechanics course: exercices. Yes, F come from the difference of pressure. I simplify the vectors because I used dx, dy (small movement at x and y) I can't ? Because the wheel is moving in translation and is rotating, the force from the...
33. ### Work of a point on a cycloid

Homework Statement A wheel turns and moves in translation like a wheel of a bike on the road (cycloid). Inside the wheel there is the pressure P from a gas. Outside the wheel there is no pressure. Calculate the work of a point from pi/2 to pi/2+a. The radius of the wheel is 1. The pressure P...
34. ### Delay of propagation of the pressure in a fluid

I saw this exercice in a book, why ?
35. ### Delay of propagation of the pressure in a fluid

Maybe I don't explain my thoughts enough. When the valve is moving quickly, the sum of force is always at 0, so the sum of torque must be at 0. But the density is changing with the speed of sound and the density is not the same at start because there is centrifugal forces in the liquid, the wave...
36. ### Delay of propagation of the pressure in a fluid

If someone could say if there is or not a torque and explain ?
37. ### Delay of propagation of the pressure in a fluid

The "spring" for example or the valve is firing the balls. Reaction from the device that launch the balls ? In the rotation, the valve receives the force ##F_v##, this force increases the torque too (counterclockwise rotation):
38. ### Delay of propagation of the pressure in a fluid

I'm not sure, but I can explain the torque like this : Increase the pressure inside the disk is like launch small balls in all directions. The energy from the spring (or heating) goes to the kinetic energy when balls change their velocity and there is heating too because there are collisions on...
39. ### Delay of propagation of the pressure in a fluid

Homework Statement Does the delay of propagation of pressure gives a torque during a short time ? A disk full of a liquid turns at a constant angular velocity w around the red axis. At a time, a valve move out, this will increase quickly the pressure inside the liquid. 1/ Draw the lines...