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Uh, the amount of effort NASA and the government put into hiding it? That's proof they're hiding something.bucher said:Well I guess just for sake of argument. What is the one most important "fact" that the hoax people have? What is keeping them attached to the belief that we didn't land on the moon?
Well said. I think this is the answer to bucher's question in post 6.jimmysnyder said:They just carry an anti-establishment message. Science is the voice of authority, and they can show their defiance by pretending not to believe in the moon landings or in gravity or whatever else.
Ahaha, I think that's pretty insane, I hadn't heard that one.bucher said:Yeah. I was thinking that the hoax people had some hard evidence to prove their point. All that I really found out there (on the internet) were misconceptions on camera angles and the astronauts' voices played backwards. Apparently if you play a recording backwards you'll hear messages and there's supposed to be one of Armstrong saying he lied that he went to the moon.
That's really all that I could find so I was just curious if there was anything else that could be debunked or waived off as insane.
Well I guess just for sake of argument. What is the one most important "fact" that the hoax people have? What is keeping them attached to the belief that we didn't land on the moon?
My favorite part was the idiot with a rubber glove in a vacuum chamber and how hard it is to move his hand. Obviously the suits worn by the astronauts used rubber gloves bought at ACO.tchitt said:They showed the debunking of the hoax theory on NatGeo earlier today... tore it apart pretty handily.
Waitaminnit. Your not a Moon hoaxer, you're hypothesizing that, not only did we go to the Moon, but in addition we also shot the whole thing here in a studio.fourier jr said:I'd say it possible, even likely, that that Moon-landing footage was done in a studio 40 years ago, for the same reasons that the other things were staged, that is to make sure what got broadcast all over the world was good quality, or for safety, etc.
DaveC426913 said:Waitaminnit. Your not a Moon hoaxer, you're hypothesizing that, not only did we go to the Moon, but in addition we also shot the whole thing here in a studio.
That's precious.
TheStatutoryApe said:I've actually considered that possibility myself. That yes they landed on the moon but they may have staged some footage to be sure that they had something of a good enough quality to capture the attention of the public or perhaps something to show if the video feed was not working.
tchitt said:Yes, it's a possibility. (That's why I understand most everything you post on this site... You've got the ability to be objective about most everything.) But the theory that the moon landing tapes were fake has been adequately debunked, in my opinion. I'm curious as to what the most compelling evidence that it was actually faked is to you? PM it to me, if you like... I'm not even sure if we're breaking the rules or not at this point.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/24/obama-inauguration-string-quartetIt may be a new dawn of openness in the US but the classical music performance at Barack Obama's inauguration was not what it seemed. Although the audience saw a quartet playing John Williams' Air and Simple Gifts, they actually heard a pre-recorded version of the piece. The musicians were not amplified so the live version would have been inaudible to most onlookers.
The reason? The extreme cold, which meant the instruments could not be guaranteed to be in tune. "It would have been a disaster if we had done it any other way," violinist Itzhak Perlman told the New York Times.
Carole Florman, a spokeswoman for the joint congressional committee on inaugural ceremonies, said: "It would never have occurred to me to announce it. The fact they were forced to perform to tape did not seem relevant."
Cold and heat cause instruments to contract or expand and the low humidity in Washington on Tuesday could have damaged them. British cellist Steven Isserlis said: "You can't play outdoors in temperatures like this," he said. "It's not fair to the instruments. There's also the impossibility of playing with frozen fingers."
fourier jr said:I don't think it would have affected Obama's inauguration in the least but according to Itzhak Perlman, it would have been a "disaster" if, due to the weather, the instruments turned out to be out of tune:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/24/obama-inauguration-string-quartet
NASA & the US government propagandists didn't have the same concerns? they knew that the broadcast from the Moon would work perfectly? in 1969?
There is a world of difference between an ipod recording of music going along with an event and a faking of the actual event. None of your examples are even remotely the same concept as you are describing. Only if the inauguration itself were faked would it be the same idea. Same for the Olympic opening ceremony - the embellished the broadcast, but the broadcast was still of the opening ceremony.fourier jr said:i don't feel strongly about it either way & I can't think of anything specific, but given that the other examples are much more recent & have been confirmed as staged in some way I don't think it's crazy that the moon-landing video was shot in a studio. it was 1969 after all.
TheStatutoryApe said:Oh I've never really thought it was faked or even researched the subject very much. I just considered that idea as a possibility to explain the hoaxers theories. They mostly revolve around supposedly faked footage and a supposed secret sound stage. I find it a handy alternative explanation for these things to show that even if they are true it does not mean the landing didn't happen. And its not terribly far fetched either.
I'm not following the logic. It's sort of retro-active.fourier jr said:...given that the other examples are much more recent & have been confirmed as staged in some way I don't think it's crazy that the moon-landing video was shot in a studio...
Case in point, the blast-off from the moon. The guy in mission control who tried to use the camera to follow the ascent module missed it the first two times due to the time delay.Ivan Seeking said:I don't understand your point. No, they didn't know it would work perfectly. What's more, the picture quality was terrible because of the many rebroadcasts needed.
Ivan Seeking said:One of the idiots pushing this nonsense puts his hand in a glove, in a vacuum chamber, and then claims that once in a vacuum, the glove is too stiff for a person to manipulate. Of course he ignores the fact that the same problem would exist for the space shuttle astronauts. So apparently everything since the moon landing was faked as well.