# 1 + 1 = 3

1. Aug 27, 2008

### ffrancis

I had some colleagues in College who took a degree in Math on their first two years. After finishing their second year, they shifted to a different course. They already finished from Algebra to Calculus and they were in an even higher math. They were asked to prove that

1 + 1 = 3

This is obviously wrong in arithmetic. But in what branch of mathematics is it possible to prove that 1 + 1 = 3? How would you prove that then? What is the solution?

I have another colleague who said she was grateful she never took Mathematics because, even though she can manage Calculus, higher maths are so abstract that you cannot visualize them anymore.

2. Aug 27, 2008

### atyy

Hold up 2 fingers then add one more finger on 1 the same hand. If you add the spaces between the fingers (1+1), that will equal the number of fingers (3).

I saw this, I think, in one of Timothy Gower's articles.

3. Aug 27, 2008

### Defennder

Assuming this isn't meant as a joke, you'll have to define what '1', '3' '+' and '=' means before you can prove it. They clearly do not hold the same meaning as we recognise them by.

4. Aug 27, 2008

### mgb_phys

For large values of 1 ?

5. Aug 27, 2008

### dodo

Maybe it's the result of a proof by contradiction, on the style:
"Prove that, if a + b = 3, then either a or b is different from 1."

A less conspicuous example would illustrate better, though.

6. Aug 27, 2008

### NoMoreExams

7. Aug 27, 2008

### Cvan

The cardinal number of the set of numbers 1 and operators +, and = , |{1, +, = }| is 3.
Forgive me, I've just started teaching myself set theory, but I suppose you could cheese this as a way to start that sort of thing.

8. Aug 27, 2008

### HallsofIvy

I thought surely someone would have mentioned the following:

Suppose x= y= 1. Then x- 3/2= 1- 3/2= -1/2 so (x- 3/2)2= 1/4. Also y- 3/2= 1- 3/2= -1/2 so (y- 3/2)2= 1/4. That is, (x- 3/2)2- (y- 3/2)2= 1/4- 1/4= 0. Multiplying that out, (x2- 3x+ 9/4)- (y2- 3y+ 9/4)= 0 or, canceling the "9/4", x2- 3x- y2+ 3y= 0.

We can rewrite that as x2- y2= 3x- 3y.

Since x2- y2= (x+ y)(x- y) and 3x- 3y= 3(x- y), we have (x+ y)(x-y)= 3(x- y) and dividing both sides by x- y gives x+ y= 3 or, since x= y= 1, 1+ 1= 3!

(of course, there is an error in that proof.)

9. Aug 27, 2008

### scarecrow

This is a coincidence for me. About a month ago I was walking down one of our university's lecture halls and found an interesting poster that caught my eye. It said "1 + 1 = 3?", and it had the whole proof clearly written. I believe some high school kids who visit the school every summer to attend a math workshop proved this. lol

I was about to write it down, but I didn't have a pen on me...

10. Aug 27, 2008

### scarecrow

yes, that was the one I saw!

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11. Aug 27, 2008

### NoMoreExams

I heard dividing by zero isn't kosher.

12. Aug 27, 2008

### HallsofIvy

You think it would be an error?

13. Aug 27, 2008

### NoMoreExams

To err is human!

14. Aug 27, 2008

### Marin

Dividing by zero appears to be incorrect, but where does the prohibition of this operation lie? I mean, we're all taught at school that division over 0 is not defined, but in calculus you define this operation as infinity
**(at least, my teacher taught me that division of a number by zero gives infinity and division of a number by infinity gives zero, as well as division of zero over infinity is zero)

I see it as an inconsistency in the definition of the operations - every filed that includes these operations is not closed with respect to division by zero, is it? Or generalised (correct me if I'm wrong) in every field (vector space) the interference of the inverse element of the multiplication with the neutral element of the addition collapses, or in other words the neutral element of the addition has no inverse with respect to the multiplication. Why is that? Is this for every vector space the case?

15. Aug 27, 2008

### 2foolish

They are merely redefining the goal posts, for instance they are using the numerals as representations for actual concepts, consider if Itold you

My definition of one is actually 1.5, so I could write

1+1 =3

if you know that my definition is actually 1.5, what happens is people can't seperate symbols from meaning, and things get confused.

When someone says "I believe 2+2=5" without telling you what he means and how he is thinking about it, then they are only talking about symbols, not meanings, because in the real world, if you have 2 groups of 2 apples, they can never equal five, unless you're redefining the rules of how you interpret them.

16. Aug 27, 2008

### NoMoreExams

I doubt your teacher told you to do division and multiplication with infinity. Infinite is not a number (in R), and as such you don't do normal operations with it. You CAN talk about limits as things APPROACH infinity. Case in point if you have

$$f(x) = \frac{x}{x}$$

Then

$$f(0) = DNE$$

However

$$\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} f(x) = 1$$

17. Aug 27, 2008

### CRGreathouse

18. Aug 27, 2008

### symbolipoint

The original post-question reminds me of the written joke:

There are 10 kinds of people; those who understand binary and those who do not.

19. Aug 27, 2008

### Coin

There is this thing called the null ring, inside of which you can do arithmetic but all numbers are equal to 0.

So:

1 = 0
3 = 0
1 + 1 = 0 + 0 = 0 = 3
1 + 1 = 3

...the null ring is not really very interesting.

20. Aug 27, 2008

### kmikias

How do you find out 3/2 in first place.is there any proof for that.
like x-3/2=1-3/2