# 100 mpg at 100 mph

1. Jan 20, 2008

### kach22i

Tell me why it's not possible.

http://acabion.com/
http://hegeberg.dyndns.org/acabion.com/images/product_main.jpg [Broken]

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2. Jan 20, 2008

### turbo

A motorcycle with training wheels with a starting price of 1.83 million Euros? Their claims of speed and fuel economy seem a bit outlandish, but who's going to be able to refute them without testing?

3. Jan 20, 2008

### RonL

Very pretty, and interesting.
I wonder how many RPM those training wheels are spinning at 250 mph?? Might get a little warm -:)

4. Jan 20, 2008

### Staff: Mentor

It is possible - but I'm not buying one!

And does it require a glass road for reduced rolling friction?

5. Jan 20, 2008

### Staff: Mentor

If you are going to have your vehicles on an elevated roadway you had better lock them onto the roadway (ala monorail). 100 mph on a motorcycle atop a little ribbon of road sounds more like an Evel Knievel stunt than a practical method of transportation.

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6. Jan 20, 2008

### turbo

You're right about that fanciful illustration, Dale. I've exceeded 100 mph (OK, dumb!) on several of my bikes, on straight-aways on wide roads with breakdown lanes and no intersections. Those "training wheels" (depending on whether they are retractable, sprung, or rigidly mounted) could send a bike into an instant crash with just a bit of contact with an uneven road surface.

7. Jan 20, 2008

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
http://www.harley-davidson.com/CO/HIS/en/history1900.asp?locale=en_US&bmLocale=en_US

I do find the six significant digits to be dubious.

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8. Jan 20, 2008

### RonL

Looking at the 1908 cycle, the frame does not appear to be much heavier than the electric powered mountain bike that i own, the large crankcase of the two cylinder engine would indicate lower rpm, more torque, and a better fuel economy.
I do wonder at what average speed the 188.234 miles per gallon was set.

As for the OP, the future holds promise, but i do not think it will ever be ready for people moving that fast, unless almost all control is engineered away from the operator, and into automated features.

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9. Jan 20, 2008

### Poop-Loops

Even if it was automated, you'd still have troubles with accelerating and decelerating. Do you honestly want to go from 0 to 200 in 6 seconds several times a trip?

10. Jan 20, 2008

### RonL

I do enjoy the rush of takeoff in a commercial jet, don't like the landings much. Individuals traveling at these speeds on public highways, not likely.

I have witnessed almost half of our automotive history, started driving in 1960, and now the cars are starting to park themselves unassisted by the driver, hovercraft are near to being safe, with their computer controlled features. Although i will not see many of the next 50 years, i think if you reach my age you will be amazed at the changes you will see.

11. Jan 21, 2008

### Poop-Loops

That would be nice. There hasn't been much of a change in cars since they started. 4 wheels, steering wheel, foot pedals for gas and breaks. Whoop-de-doo.

12. Jan 21, 2008

### RonL

Your quite correct, and when you compare aviation to automobiles, one of the main
reasons for such rapid advance in flying, the building of roads was not a requirement.

Just for grins, think how things might have been different, if a hovercraft had been the first design to carry people, and dust control would have been the main issue.

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13. Jan 21, 2008

### Argentum Vulpes

That is a definitely one of the more unique looking cars out there but I'd still rather spend 117 thousand on a Tesla roadster with every bell and whistle. 135 mpg equivalent, and 125 mph top speed.

14. Jan 21, 2008

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
...and 900 pounds of batteries probably worth about $80K. I sure hope they last longer than my laptop batteries! But then being that they essentially use laptop batteries... 15. Jan 22, 2008 ### kach22i As an owner of a small hovercraft (Scat II HP - 1989) I can tell you even a crown in the road to drain water will send you into a ditch. Similar to the elevated bike-way one of the early inventors of the hovercraft came up with a half tube tray system. Dr. William Bertelsen Link: http://www.aeromobile.com/aeromobile_vers2/index.htm 16. Jan 22, 2008 ### Poop-Loops Yeah, but at least you get to tell your friends you wiped out on a hovercraft. 17. Jan 22, 2008 ### Argentum Vulpes 220 miles for a fully charged battery pack. And that is assuming you get no extra power from the regenerative braking system. So lets see at WOT you would get almost 2 hours of time. I guess that would be less then a laptop oh well but you'd be 220 miles away from your starting point. 18. Jan 22, 2008 ### Ivan Seeking Staff Emeritus I am talking about the battery life; not the stored charge. It appears to me that you will be replacing$80K worth of batteries every year.

19. Jan 22, 2008

### Argentum Vulpes

The batterys will give a 100% duty cycle for 100k miles. After that point you will see a gradual drop of power. Li-ion batterys have gotten much better then they were when first brought onto the market. I can't find who Tesla's suppler of there batterys are but I'd bet on either http://www.a123systems.com" [Broken]

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20. Jan 22, 2008

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
In fact that claim is made with no supporting evidence [in fact it is impossible]. My experience says that it will be more like 10,000 miles.

Recall that Moller has been promising a flying car for thirty years. This claim sounds about as credible.

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