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Zero
...what a disappointment, the terrorists are winning the war on terror, every day.
Next post like this, and I'm contacting Greg to see about banning you. Good luck.Originally posted by drag
Greetings !
I agree it's quite strange, to say the least, that Bin
Laden is still at large. I mean, you'd think that once
the US is really after someone with it's huge resources and
immensly advanced capabilities on all fronts they'd get'im
in two years.
As for the part about learning Islam to "understand" it, it's
TOTAL BS and it can only cause more damage. There is
nothing to understand about Islam for a normal person, there
are just ways to fight it.
Live long and prosper.
*shudders*Originally posted by drag
...There is
nothing to understand about Islam for a normal person, there
are just ways to fight it.
Originally posted by russ_watters
Winning what? I haven't heard of him coming forward to claim his prize.
Ironic, isn't it, that Bush is the biggest tool of the terrorists?Originally posted by Chemicalsuperfreak
Well, let's see. He's destroyed the WTC. That's pretty significant. He's got a large percentage of the american population living in fear. The whole world is turning against us, although that's more Bush's ineptitude, than bin Laden's accomplishment. He's tricked us into attack Iraq and desposing Saddam, one of his mortal enemies, thereby greatly tieing up american military resources that could have been used elsewhere. Although again, that's mostly Bush's ineptitude. He's gained thousands to millions of new supporters, now that we've screwed up. He probably is as happy as a clam?
What have we got? Our constitution has been raped. We've got history's biggest deficit. World opinion was solidly with us two years ago, that's gone. Oh, and now Tommy Chong is in prison.
God Bless, America.
Originally posted by Zero
Ironic, isn't it, that Bush is the biggest tool of the terrorists?
"Best" or "only"?Originally posted by Chemicalsuperfreak
I wouldn't really say ironic. 9-11 was the best thing George Bush has going for him.
Oh, and now Tommy Chong is in prison.
Originally posted by megashawn
What? Tommy Chong is in jail? What for?
TOTAL BS and it can only cause more damage. There is nothing to understand about Islam for a normal person, there are just ways to fight it
Next post like this, and I'm contacting Greg to see about banning you. Good luck.
That concept does not apply to an internet bulletin board.Originally posted by Mattius_
speaking of free speech...
Originally posted by megashawn
What in the world does selling bongs have to do with helping terrorists? Was the money being used to help fund terrorist activitys? If yes, then I can understand him being in jail.
You are of course talking about tommy chong of cheech and chong fame correct?
I could see bong saling as helpful to terrorism as gasoline.
Originally posted by russ_watters
That concept does not apply to an internet bulletin board.
Zero, if drag had been talking about Branch Davidians instead of Muslims, would you have responded the same way? Why is it ok to condemn one religion and not another? What makes one a viable religion and another a cult? Is it simply the number of people who practice it?
I sincerely tried to keep an open mind about Islam. I used to believe that it couldn't possibly be bad - it just must be perverted by a few extremists. You may even be able to go back through my posts in the forum and see where I started to read the Koran and change my opinion. The Koran is a violent, mysoginistic, hateful, racist writing. What we call "extremists" are not extremists, they are the norm. The majority.
I believe that Islam has caught on so well in the middle east because they are destitude. Fat rich people don't complain, don't get bitter, and don't hate. When you are poor and hungry you are willing to latch on to a scapegoat. Hitler did it and it worked quite well.
I do not take this opinion lightly - I have thought through its implications as I believe drag has. Neither of us are the reactionary type. If you want to censure it because its unpopular, that's your perogative. Maybe that's easier than considering its validity.
Hello Drag,Originally posted by drag
I feel that perhaps some of you did not understand
what I mean to say (for example Zero told me I threaten
violence against 1/5 of humanity). The fact that some
people actually see my words like that, in my opinion,
is already a partial indication of how people's minds
can get twisted today.
If you did not mean violence perhaps you shouldn’t have chose to use the word “fight”, or at least have expounded on what you meant by that word. You didn’t speak of fanatical, fundamentalist, foaming at the mouth, factions, instead you painted, with a very broad stroke, all of Islam as needing to be fought. I find that especially curious after your comments in another thread Re;…There is
nothing to understand about Islam for a normal person, there
are just ways to fight it.
I think it is fair to say you are oversimplifying when you speak of Islam not needing to be understood, but only needing to be fought.…Abviously, historical issues aspecialy
something as huge and as fundumental an issue as this one can not
be oversimplified into such a singular point of view.
…I think that the “Asta la Vista, baby!” sounds like a reference to the Terminator, which would justifiably be interpreted as a call to kill what in this case you termed “modern Islam”.Church of Satan ? Yeah... I know this one. It's called
modern Islam - and there is only one way to stop it:
The hard way...
Asta la Vista, baby !
I’m glad to hear you say this.…In no way do I support violence
against people of any religion or belief. The only people
I support violence against (and preferably the effective type)
are those who act on those beliefs and try to.
Originally posted by drag
Nineteen ?
Yep, I'd say someone has some learning to do, not Russ though.
As for actions, actions are limmited by reality, intentions
are not - do some studies and see what the intentions are -
not of the above many many phousands (instead of nineteen)
but of the majority.
It's called Islamutopia.
Live long and prosper.
Two things: if he had said 'Militant Muslim extremists', I wouldn't have said a word, because that is an accurate description. If he had said 'Christians' or 'Jews' I would have jumped on him just as hard. I wouldn't tolerate, for instance, someone saying that all Catholics are child molesters because some priests are. See my reasoning?Originally posted by russ_watters
That concept does not apply to an internet bulletin board.
Zero, if drag had been talking about Branch Davidians instead of Muslims, would you have responded the same way? Why is it ok to condemn one religion and not another? What makes one a viable religion and another a cult? Is it simply the number of people who practice it?
I sincerely tried to keep an open mind about Islam. I used to believe that it couldn't possibly be bad - it just must be perverted by a few extremists. You may even be able to go back through my posts in the forum and see where I started to read the Koran and change my opinion. The Koran is a violent, mysoginistic, hateful, racist writing. What we call "extremists" are not extremists, they are the norm. The majority.
I believe that Islam has caught on so well in the middle east because they are destitude. Fat rich people don't complain, don't get bitter, and don't hate. When you are poor and hungry you are willing to latch on to a scapegoat. Hitler did it and it worked quite well.
I do not take this opinion lightly - I have thought through its implications as I believe drag has. Neither of us are the reactionary type. If you want to censure it because its unpopular, that's your perogative. Maybe that's easier than considering its validity.
And, I think we can seriously try to limit comments like this as well.Originally posted by Chemicalsuperfreak
No, Russ. I don't think you've come to this decision lightly. More likely it comes from deep-seated, possibly childhood, fear, hate, and ignorant bigotry towards people different than yourself.
Originally posted by Zero
And, I think we can seriously try to limit comments like this as well.
Keep your comments on what people say, then, and not direct your criticism towards them...its a fine line.Originally posted by Chemicalsuperfreak
I humbly, and respectfully disagree. If one makes a bigoted comment, it's within everybody's best interest to point out thatsaid comments are indeed bigotted, thoughtless, and morally bankrupt.
The 9-11 terrorist were muslim, there are muslims in afghanistan. Opium come from Afghanistan. Opium is a drug. Marijuana is a drug. Drug users use bongs to smoke marijuana. Tommy Chong sells bongs.
Ergo- Tommy Chong supports terrorists and hates america.
John Ashkroft told me.
Killing cops and raping little girls was what made them a cult. They did those things BECAUSE they were a cult. How is that different than the murders comitted by members of organizations that are part of the MAINSTREAM of Islam?Originally posted by Chemicalsuperfreak
The Branch Davidians killed cops and raped little girls. All of them, right there complicitly. They could have surrendered, and they would have gotten a trial with full due process. Nobody hates them because of their cultism, but because they kill cops and rape little girls.
Read my past posts on this board on this subject. I came to this opinion recently as a result of reading the Koran. It is a shocking read. Virtually EVERY chapter talks about violence toward non-believers.No, Russ. I don't think you've come to this decision lightly. More likely it comes from deep-seated, possibly childhood, fear, hate, and ignorant bigotry towards people different than yourself.
Yes, but it hasn't worked that way. Just take a quick look at the Christianity bashing in the religion forum. I don't mind criticism of Christianity, but there must be some consistency: no religion should be above criticism.Originally posted by Zero
If he had said 'Christians' or 'Jews' I would have jumped on him just as hard. I wouldn't tolerate, for instance, someone saying that all Catholics are child molesters because some priests are. See my reasoning?
I realize its against the TOS but it doesn't bother me to have people try to analyze me like that.And, I think we can seriously try to limit comments like this as well.
There is no line. If a statement a person makes is bigoted, that makes the person a bigot. Yeah, maybe it sounds nicer to comment on the statement and not the person, but the meaning is identical.Keep your comments on what people say, then, and not direct your criticism towards them...its a fine line.
Originally posted by russ_watters
Killing cops and raping little girls was what made them a cult. They did those things BECAUSE they were a cult. How is that different than the murders comitted by members of organizations that are part of the MAINSTREAM of Islam? Read my past posts on this board on this subject. I came to this opinion recently as a result of reading the Koran. It is a shocking read. Virtually EVERY chapter talks about violence toward non-believers. Yes, but it hasn't worked that way. Just take a quick look at the Christianity bashing in the religion forum. I don't mind criticism of Christianity, but there must be some consistency: no religion should be above criticism. I realize its against the TOS but it doesn't bother me to have people try to analyze me like that. There is no line. If a statement a person makes is bigoted, that makes the person a bigot. Yeah, maybe it sounds nicer to comment on the statement and not the person, but the meaning is identical.
In any case, this is the politics forum - a discussion on the merits of a particular religion is something for the religion forum where hopefully (yeah, right) the debate can be more objective.
Well, that is the idiot Republican stance for you...make up retarded reasons for the behaviour of your opponents. 'Terrorists hate our freedoms' is another brown nuggest of Republican wisdom that manages to be wrong on several levels.Originally posted by schwarzchildradius
Newt Gingrich has said that people hate Bush because 1) he's from Texas and 2) they don't like the way he looks. Oh, NOT because he botched the war on terror?
Bin Laden "won" on 9-11-01, since our cold-war tactics against a guerilla war fighting enemy haven't worked to stop his attacks.
Now we humiliate and get humiliated in Iraq. Did it work? Are Arabs trembling in fear. Or are Americans now full of fear?
If you can defend it with facts and logic. I realize its a can of worms you'd rather not open - and I've tended to avoid the religion forum as well.Originally posted by Zero
Good luck with that...I think all religions are poisonous. Does that make me objective?
Not in this thread...I'd rather discuss in greater detail things like the notion that a 'war on terror' can only have one solution...victory for the terrorists.Originally posted by russ_watters
If you can defend it with facts and logic. I realize its a can of worms you'd rather not open - and I've tended to avoid the religion forum as well.