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I just looked up what it pays to be a professor in The Netherlands: the lowest as a starter would be: €56604/yr and highest: €89472/yr.. do I see the € fading and the $ twinkling in your eyes???
 
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Originally posted by Sonty
how is everyone equal by paying a bigger percentage of their income. this is ilogical. you mean you work your ass off to get through a lot of years of school and working my brain until it crashes to earn more than the construction worker who quit in grade school and the government imposes me a bigger percentage? This is communist stuff. Do you have a communist government in the Netherlands? I really was planing on coming in Amsterdam for a couple of years. Should I reconsider?

The thing is, having a good degree or being hard working does not make you rich. Being born into money and being well connected does. The higher echolons in any democratic society are pretty much stable throughout different generations. And proportionally, in most European countries, the rich pay less taxes then average or poor people. I have no idea where Monique gets her ideas, but it seems to me that if you're a hard-working simple person, you still get buggered in the end.

As far as the Netherlands are concerned, it would not surprise me that the trend would be more tax benefits for the rich, with the right-wing Balkenende governement hinting at such reforms.

And Sonty, I can totally understand that you are disgusted by communism, after all your country has been through. But please do not be discouraged by every form of socialism...
 
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Well, I am not into politics and economics, but this is what the Economist has to say:

The Netherlands has an advanced economy, which combines high incomes per head with a fairly even income distribution.
http://www.economist.com/countries/Netherlands/profile.cfm?folder=Profile-Economic Structure

I think that an even income distribution should be encouraged, everyone deserves to make a decent living. But yes, there should be an encouragement for people to perform their duties well.

Did you hear about that CEO that was going to take this company out of debt?? I forgot the name, it was about a month ago. The guy was hired with a salary of €10 million!!! Can you believe it??? And where was this money coming from? Forced layoffs, well, Sonty, what is the fairness here.. Better tax that guy good to pay for the poor peoples unemployment. *edit: I just remembered it was the company Ahold*
 
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As I said, I am not good in politics or economics, so someone please comment on the following: are incomes regulated in the US? I don't think so, and there are multiple layers from the very poor to the stinking rich. American dream you can say, but I prefer socialism before capitalism anytime..
 
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I am reading a research tool survey about The Netherlands from The Economist to get more insight in the workings of it all..

Sonty, look at this!

The Netherlands' tax reforms, which cut top marginal income-tax rates to 52%, from a peak of 72%
I think that that means that the top incomes used to get taxed with 72%? whohooo! The tax reform was in 2001, which cut it back to 52%.
 
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Originally posted by Monique
As I said, I am not good in politics or economics, so someone please comment on the following: are incomes regulated in the US? I don't think so, and there are multiple layers from the very poor to the stinking rich. American dream you can say, but I prefer socialism before capitalism anytime..

Capitalism has a disclaimer. It's the "Dream" IF you're willing to work for it. A large percentage of the poor in america are simply unwilling to work in order to make something of themselves. Now of course there are those who are victims of social factors beyond thier control, but a great deal also want to work as little as possible and "slide" through life. I'm sure you learned that much being in michgan. For single mothers struggling to make ends meet, I have the deepest sympathies. For high school droupouts, criminals, drug addicts, and the like I have no pity- they wrought their own fate, and yet we STILL help them out with programs to rehabilitate, train, and educate them in preperation for the workforce. Yet many choose not to accept these options available to them, when so many other places in the world DO NOT have these options for people, willing or unwilling. Even if you put forth a mediocre, Half-a##ed effort in the US, you can clothe and feed yourself, and put a roof over your head. I wouldn't be in favor of a socialist system which supports this type of behavior. It's the old addage- those who don't work, don't eat. It stood 400 years ago, and it stands today.

I will concede that the health care system does need work, and that everyone should be entitled to healthcare regardless of fiancial status, And also that there are certain circumstances, such as single mothers, disabled persons, or otherwise socially disadvantaged indiviuduals who are worthy of the support that is offered to all unemployed or low-income people. It's the people who take advantage of the system that earn my contempt and indifference. If you want an education, it may be expensive, but you can get one. If you want to work in this country, you will find work if you put forth an effort.
You may not become filthy rich, but you will survive, and even prosper if you follow the formula that you are guided through in schooling, and hand held, no less. I've been to 3rd world countries where thousands of people with MASTERS degrees in fields that are in high demand in the US, cannot find work, simply because the country's economy cannot support it. Meanwhile you have the indivdual over here in the US who slid through life, skipped school, never even attempted to hold down a job or obtain any type of training, and now lives of the government. This is the type of individual who would flourish in a socialist economy and live off the backs of others.
 
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Originally posted by Monique
I am reading a research tool survey about The Netherlands from The Economist to get more insight in the workings of it all..

Sonty, look at this!

I think that that means that the top incomes used to get taxed with 72%? whohooo! The tax reform was in 2001, which cut it back to 52%.

Holy Jesus. 72%!? I'm all for taxing the rich more, but jeez...
 
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My guesses as to women's lower salary in the U.S.:

Traditionally,

1. Women (still) have less, and less lucrative, education than men

2. Men control hiring of well-paying jobs

3. Women living with male partners settle for lesser paid, secondary jobs

4. Immigrants (especially) consider woman to do more work for less pay

5. Women are expected to work in social services, and men in technology
 
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Originally posted by Loren Booda
My guesses as to women's lower salary in the U.S.:

Traditionally,

1. Women (still) have less, and less lucrative, education than men

2. Men control hiring of well-paying jobs

3. Women living with male partners settle for lesser paid, secondary jobs

4. Immigrants (especially) consider woman to do more work for less pay

5. Women are expected to work in social services, and men in technology

I was just reading an interesting post related to the gap in the male female ratios for matriculants to the Medical Scientist Training program(for those who don't know, it's a combined MD/PHD program).

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=87726

The gap is narrowing to an even ratio(went from 20 percent in the 70's to high 30th percentile recently). However a lot of females are reluctant to pursue this program which takes about 10 years on average(that's AFTER undergrad). Comments made by admissions faculty and studies done show that the number one reason given by females reluctant to pursue the field indicate that they are under the impression that this path will not allow them to have time for a family. As it was pointed out, this isn't necessarily true, as there are many female medical scientist who have managed both, but the perception is still there.

There are of course other reasons given, such as that women feel they have to be MORE competitive then males to equalize themselves. But I would like to say that based on my own experience, The higher the position, the more of your time it demands. Thus, the 9-5 job becomes unrealistic once you reach a certain level. This is what prevents many women from attaining higher levels, as they are forced to balance work and family, and are unable to work the 60+ hour work weeks that men are able to do,due to thier freedom from family commitments, and thus earn the promotion over the woman. Is this fair? No, but many women who do attain the success, do so at the cost of children and thier family. I know several successful women in high level positions, and they invariably sacrifice a family in the name of thier career. At excutive levels, it is very difficult to maintain a balance without extreme support at home (ie a stay at home dad). I personally feel this is a major contributing factor in the disparity between the sexes in business.
 
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That was informative but very broad.
 
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Yes, Zantra, talking about people abusing the system.. that holds very true for a socialist country, and I think The Netherlands serves a good example.

Yesterday I saw the news, there are 1 million people in The Netherlands in working-disability (not sure about the translation) where there are total 7 million people working! The fact was that if you had a bad back, or claimed to have one, you could go into disability without questions asked and even get 100% of your wages!! I think the norm was 80% and now they have cut it back to 70%. But still we have a very large influx of foreigners taking advantage of the system.

There are a lot of maroccan and turkish people in the Netherlands, which have the highest percentage of disability, and get alot of money, without even having worked a single day in this country! So it was on the news yesterday that such foreigners will have to go for examination twice, instead of one, trying to get people to work.
 
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Originally posted by Monique
Yesterday I saw the news, there are 1 million people in The Netherlands in working-disability (not sure about the translation) where there are total 7 million people working! The fact was that if you had a bad back, or claimed to have one, you could go into disability without questions asked and even get 100% of your wages!! I think the norm was 80% and now they have cut it back to 70%. But still we have a very large influx of foreigners taking advantage of the system.

There are a lot of maroccan and turkish people in the Netherlands, which have the highest percentage of disability, and get alot of money, without even having worked a single day in this country! So it was on the news yesterday that such foreigners will have to go for examination twice, instead of one, trying to get people to work.

That's how it starts. Out of a population of 16 million you still have 7 working. out of 23 Romania has 5, while around 6 are retired because of age or "disabilities". Checking them twice doesn't matter. That will mean more bribe to the doctors. It's not wanted also because then those people will count as unemployed and that doesn't look good to the EU. The medium sallary is 100 €, but for how many people?
Both socialism and capitalism sound very good. Different but good. The problem is not the system is those IN the system. Even a good theory goes bad when applied.

Originally posted by Monique
I just looked up what it pays to be a professor in The Netherlands: the lowest as a starter would be: €56604/yr and highest: €89472/yr.. do I see the € fading and the $ twinkling in your eyes???

€89472=$104000

Originally posted by Zantra
I've been to 3rd world countries where thousands of people with MASTERS degrees in fields that are in high demand in the US, cannot find work, simply because the country's economy cannot support it. Meanwhile you have the indivdual over here in the US who slid through life, skipped school, never even attempted to hold down a job or obtain any type of training, and now lives of the government. This is the type of individual who would flourish in a socialist economy and live off the backs of others.

The story of my life, Zantra. And the story of a lot of my friends. Can we replace some of them?
Right now, back home the government is discussing introducing a flat tax system and they are still uncertain about the figure, somewhere between 21 and 24 %.
Oh, and Zantra, I forgot to tell you my conclusion. The vast majority of the americans is not fat at all, but I can feel that "You'll be fine so I don't care about your problems" attitude. I won't open this discussion again.
 
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You missed the point Sonty. The point is that you can't categorize ANY americans because we're all different, just as I'm sure, Belgians are each different. Are there americans who have the traits you describe? No doubt, but no 2 are alike. This is the lesson you must learn. But if you have met 20 Americans, it s a good start.

As far as the selfish attitude, It varies from person to person, but I think every person puts thier country ahead of everyone else's to some degree. It's called patriotism. Besides, if you want to know what happens when we "care" about other countries, look no further than the middle east.
 
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One CAN talk about a population as a whole, just don't generalize it to the person.
 
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Originally posted by Zantra
You missed the point Sonty. The point is that you can't categorize ANY americans because we're all different, just as I'm sure, Belgians are each different. Are there americans who have the traits you describe? No doubt, but no 2 are alike. This is the lesson you must learn. But if you have met 20 Americans, it s a good start.

As far as the selfish attitude, It varies from person to person, but I think every person puts thier country ahead of everyone else's to some degree. It's called patriotism. Besides, if you want to know what happens when we "care" about other countries, look no further than the middle east.

And was I talking about individuals?
I know belgians for the same ammount of time as I know these americans. For now I'm still bitterly laughing about the recent meeting between (still) my president and yours, where they had a private meeting, had fun together, looked like the best friends, but the staff didn't even get the right flag to put on the table in front of him. What attitude do you think that shows? And it's at the highest level.
About the middle east... what can I say. I still haven't seen entire nations going out on the streets thanking for the help.
Let's get back to ranking sallaries, should we? As far as I can remember in Romania the best paid jobs were in the backing system and air traffic controllers and pilots. I don't know if the job of being a physicist even exists anymore. It is now just called physics professor and it's paied from 100 € to 250 or 300.
 
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is that 100 euro per year or month>
 
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per month, of course.
 
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The lawyer you listed can't be a trial lawyer. After shaking hands with one, you have to count your fingers. After you finish counting your fingers, they give you a bill for 200 dollars.
 
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i haven't read the whole thread so i hope i'm not repeating anyone else's remarks...

what about drug dealers, pimps, made men (heads of mafias and such), those practicing investment fraud, etc.? i couldn't find much data on the net. ever heard of the dopewars game? you can now even use crack-whores. it's dope. i find it hard and unrealistic yet more fun than prison sex. i don't think it gives realistic training to become a dealer.

my general, entry-level sense of drug-dealing involves getting drugs from an inner city at something between 50% to 75% of what they sell for in a college town where college kids eat that up big time. so in general theory, you could make at least 33% profit on your investment. also, buying in large quantities of course means you can divide it up and sell the individual parts at a price so that there would be massive profits. you know, like get a sheet of 100 hits of acid and sell it five hits at a time (though i think liquid acid is more popular). there are a few catches including what might happen if you move in on another dealer's turf. oh yeah, and it's illegal... i don't know how some of these dealers don't get caught. or maybe they do and get out soon. you can go down some major streets and buy some crack for $10 in your car from a guy on the street. once i saw this even with cop cars like a block away.
 
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Originally posted by jono
Women launderers £10,195

People get paid to wash women??
Where do you sign up for THAT job?

Originally posted by Monique
100k.. I wonder which percentage goes to IRS?

In the US, you reach the highest tax bracket at about $95,000.
Strictly speaking, that is something like 40 - 45% of your income going back to the Federal, State and Local government.
Of course there are tax breaks and other tircks dishonest people play to keep their money.

Originally posted by Monique
Ofcourse the taxes we pay in the Netherlands are no doubt higher than in the US.. but guess what: the people who earn the most money have to pay a much higher percentage tax.. thus everyone is equal.

Equal?
Your definition of equal must be different than mine.
If some people are more equal than others, equality does not exist.

I am not filthy rich.
I don't have yachts and tax shelters.
I don't own several homes.
Hell, I don't even own ONE home.
I rent.
I grew up poor, in a poor neigborhood.
I drive a used Honda.
I don't travel the world in a private jet.
I work very hard for what I have.
I have been working steadily since I was 13 years old (I am now 32).
I have never had a leg-up from anybody in my life.
But, I pay over $40,000 a year in taxes.
That is almost HALF my paycheck.
So I am being punished for working hard and sacrificing to pull myself up higher.
But Joe Blow, working at the local convenience store to earn just enough money to keep him in weed and twinkies, pays 15 - 17% of his income.
If we paid out the same percentage, I would still be contributing over $18,000 (which is more than he makes in a year).
If EVERYONE paid 17% across the board (from single moms to billionaires) we would have so much more tax money coming in than we do now, we could fire most of the IRS and swindling cheat tax attorneys would have to get real jobs and actually contribute to something.
I should pay more dollars, sure.
But what is the justification for having to pay a higher %?
Then there are people like my father, who feel it is below him to take a job at a gas station, collect unemployment and spend it all at the local bar.
When I couldn't find a job in my field, I worked two full-time jobs at gas stations making less than I did when I was 17 years old, and didn't take a DIME from the government.

No, I am not a cold hearted right-wing bastard who thinks the poor deserve what they get.
I think health care should be government sponsored.
I think the government should offer people a TEMPORARY leg-up when they truly need it.

I think the ideal system would be a balance between:
The Republican ideal of small unobtrusive government and personal freedom...
The Democratic ideal of taking care of those who truly need it...
The Socialist Democrat ideal that our basic needs should be taken care of...
...and my own personal ideal that if you CAN work, you WILL work (at whatever you do best) or you simply don't eat, and your children will be given to someone more responsible.
You should have the right to not work, but if you make that choice, you made that choice.
Be a part of the "society" (I hate that word) or fend for yourself.

To be perfectly honest, I don't even agree with the capitalist system at all.
The ideal, that people that work harder will be rewarded for that hard work, is quite obviously bull****.

People who know and manipulate the tax laws get rewarded.
People who lie, cheat, swindle and steal get rewarded.
People who stay at home pretending they are looking for jobs are rewarded.
People who decide they don't want to work are rewarded (if they know the system).
Honest people who work hard...
We foot the bill for everyone else.

The biggest problem with "the land of opportuinty" is that the we have spoon fed everyone with our golden promises of freedom, opportuinity, entitlements and the all-mighty dollar since the 50's.
We are told from the time we can walk that we have a right to this, and a right to that.
We are free to do what we wish.
Life, Libery and the Pursuit of the easy buck.
But we are not taught that with great freedom comes even greater responsibility.
We have managed to get more demanding and less responsible at the same time.
We want all the luxuries, but no accountability.
We complain that health care cost too much, but we sue doctors for billions of dollars ever year.
We ***** that the public school system sucks, but we ***** when someone wants to spend money on it.
We complain that our taxes are too high, but we vote for people who want to generate more government jobs, more government programs, more government spending.
We complain that all politicians are dishonest, but not only do we vote them in, we allow them to pass the laws that allow them to BE corrupt.
Besides, no one would ever vote for the guy who was honest, anyway.
People don't want to hear the truth.
They want someone to tell them that everything is going to be fine, and their taxes won't go up.

Drugs should be legalized.
However, if you do drugs so much that you can't afford to eat...
Go ****ing hungry!

Ahem...
I guess I got a little off on a tangent there.
Bit of a passionate subject for me.
Doesn't take much to set me off.
I will let it go for now.
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Originally posted by Zantra
It only SEEMS that the richer people pay less taxes. While this may be true in practice, it's not by design. Richer people can afford very expensive accountants who can find legal loopholes. they're just working the system. In practice, the percentage of income tax goes UP not down, the higher the pay.

I think we need to define "rich".
Like I said, you reach the highest tax bracket at about $95,000.
I hardly consider that "rich" if rich people can afford "very expensive accountants".
Single people who earn between $45,000 and $125,000, have no children and do not own a home pay the most taxes.
Them, and the struggling small business owners.

Originally posted by Dimitri Terryn
The thing is, having a good degree or being hard working does not make you rich. Being born into money and being well connected does.

Who has been feeding you that self-pitying, pathetic victim complex?
My father was a raging alchoholic who dropped out of school in the 8th grade.
My mother barely scraped by working ****-wage jobs to feed her 4 children.
I never had, nor do I have now any connections.
I don't have any degrees either.
I worked my ass off, and earned what I have with long hours, dedication and work ethics.
Which is exactly why I get so pissed off when people who have no right to what I have earned claim they "deserve" it.
 
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If EVERYONE paid 17% across the board (from single moms to billionaires) we would have so much more tax money coming in than we do now, we could fire most of the IRS and swindling cheat tax attorneys would have to get real jobs and actually contribute to something.
I should pay more dollars, sure.
I haven't finished reading your post yet (getting there), but I wanted to comment on what you said there.

First of all, why would single moms have to pay as much % money as billionairs, don't they deserve a break?

Second, we DO need people to operate gas stations, waitresses, conviencience store workers etc, they barely make the minimum wage.. if you want to tax them more, you'd have to increase their wages, which doesn't make sense.
 
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Originally posted by one_raven
Which is exactly why I get so pissed off when people who have no right to what I have earned claim they "deserve" it.
So, I finished reading your post

I agree with you that people who work really hard for their money should enjoy it.

The thing that gets to me is the view that rich people work hard for their money, I've never been the head of a company, so I don't know what kind of work they do.. but what is in my head is that their job is to place signatures and hire the best employees :P jk

But to conclude, if you don't want to live in an anarchy, you have to pay money to the government. People who make little money already have a hard time tying the knots, you cannot pluck a bald chicken, so it seems logic to me that the 'burden' is placed on people with more wellware.

Why wonder about a gross income anyway? Why not think: I make $x net a year and that is way more than other people make.. everyone with the same income has to pay the same amount of tax right (basically) so why feel held behind?
 
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Originally posted by Monique
? why do women make less money ?

Here is an interesting take on the wage gap "myth".see link http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba392/ [Broken]

I agree with most of what it has to say.

For the record, I am a female, senior partner in a business and make hiring and salary decisions so no wage gap exists in my partnership.
 
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Everyone is starting to have faces, I like that
 
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Originally posted by adrenaline
Here is an interesting take on the wage gap "myth".see link http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba392/ [Broken]

I agree with most of what it has to say.

For the record, I am a female, senior partner in a business and make hiring and salary decisions so no wage gap exists in my partnership.

I read the article, and on the surface, it is fairly convincing. This line destroys her whole point though:

Women who hold positions and have skills and experience similar to those of men face wage disparities of less than 10 percent, and many are within a couple of points. Claims of unequal pay almost always involve comparing apples and oranges.

She makes this seem like a statement supporting the idea that there is little or no gender discrimination in pay, when it is the exact opposite. A 10% pay deficiency is huge. This was considering all other factors to be equal, ie, women were compared to men in the same field, with the same education and experience.

Njorl
 
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