2018 French Nobel Prize clip (what do you think)

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The discussion revolves around a controversial clip featuring the 2018 French Nobel Prize winner Gérard Mourou, focusing on its implications for the representation of women in science, particularly in physics. Participants express varied reactions to the video, examining its cultural impact and the messages it conveys about gender in the scientific community.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that the video undermines the seriousness of women in science, particularly in light of Mourou's co-winner, Donna Strickland.
  • Others argue that the video does not inherently convey a message that women in physics are not to be taken seriously, suggesting that the portrayal of women in hard-hats is not sexist.
  • A participant compares the video to the "Large Hadron Rap," indicating a perception of it as humorous or absurd rather than problematic.
  • There is mention of a specific scene where men keep their lab coats on while women remove theirs, which some find troubling and out of place.
  • One participant reflects on their mixed feelings about the video, noting that while it may reinforce existing perceptions of physics as a male domain, it does not necessarily lead to that conclusion.
  • Another participant suggests that Mourou has an opportunity to promote women in physics in light of the controversy surrounding the video.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of the video. While some express clear concerns about its messaging regarding women in science, others defend it as not inherently sexist. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the cultural context surrounding gender representation in physics and the potential impact of public perceptions, but do not resolve the underlying assumptions or implications of the video.

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the clip of the 2018 french Nobel Prize in physics is controversial in France: what do you think ?

 
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I expect that his Nobel co-winner Canadian physicist Donna Strickland was not happy to see the video. It kind of negates the message that women in science are to be taken seriously. I expect that Gérard Mourou was not thinking of the implications when the video was made and was caught up in a stupid promotion. That does not excuse it though. I think he has a duty now to come out and made a strong and sustained effort to promote women in physics and to change the culture that physics is a male domain (as suggested recently by Italian Prof. Alessandro Strumia)

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SJWs finding sexism in every little thing nowadays, that's what I think.
 
mfb said:
Most of it reminds me of the Large Hadron Rap.
The 2:40 scene looks out of place.
Unless you think portraying women in hard-hats as sexist, I didn't see anything in the CERN video that sends the message the women in physics are not to be treated seriously. Unlike the Mourou video. In that odd laboratory dance scene, the men keep on their lab coats and the women take them off...

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Andrew Mason said:
In that odd laboratory dance scene, the men keep on their lab coats and the women take them off...
If you check my post I mentioned that this scene is out of place.
I said most of the video reminds me of the LHC rap. Most of the video doesn't have anyone taking off their lab coat.
 
I saw the clip and frankly thought it was just ridiculous and stupid, and seeing Dr. Mourou "dance" elicited a mix of reactions from "funny" (in a "laugh at" Mourou rather than "laugh with") to "cringe-inducing". But curiously enough, I didn't get the perception from the video shown of science in general (and physics in particular) as a "male dominion", and I suspect that thought didn't cross his mind either.

Maybe it should have? I'll be honest and say that I don't know.
 
StatGuy2000 said:
I saw the clip and frankly thought it was just ridiculous and stupid, and seeing Dr. Mourou "dance" elicited a mix of reactions from "funny" (in a "laugh at" Mourou rather than "laugh with") to "cringe-inducing". But curiously enough, I didn't get the perception from the video shown of science in general (and physics in particular) as a "male dominion", and I suspect that thought didn't cross his mind either.

Maybe it should have? I'll be honest and say that I don't know.
The video would not necessarily lead one to conclude that physics is a male domain. But it reinforces the perception that many already have (Prof. Strumia's remarks were not made in a vacuum - he must have perceived that he had an audience for his remarks) that it is a male domain and that women in physics are not to be taken seriously. Since his Nobel prize co-winner is a woman this is rather unfortunate for Mourou to be seen in this way. I am suggesting that this should be an important opportunity for him to speak out about the need to encourage women to pursue careers in physics.

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