Solving 2nd Order ODE: yy``=2y`^2

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In summary, the conversation discusses the problem of finding the solution for the equation yy'' = 2(y')^2 with no explicit independent variable. The suggested method is to use the reduction of order method by letting u = y' and obtaining the first order equation u(du/dy) = f(y,u). It is also mentioned to be careful not to cancel a p from both sides and that dividing by p is only possible if p is not zero.
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for the following question:
yy``=2y`^2

my problem:
i don't have a clue how to get a hand on this one! any suggestions?
 
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[tex]yy'' = 2\left( {y'} \right)^2 [/tex]. The independent variable doesn't seem to be there. So perhaps [tex]p\left( y \right) = y' \Rightarrow y'' = p\frac{{dp}}{{dy}}[/tex] so that [tex]yp\frac{{dp}}{{dy}} = 2p^2 [/tex]. It would also be a good idea to not 'cancel' a p from both sides.
 
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may i ask:
how'd you think of that?
 
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That's a fairly standard "reduction of order" method.

If y"= f(y, y') so that there is no x explicitely in the equation, then
Letting u= y' gives, by the chain rule, y"= u'= (du/dy)(dy/dx)= u(du/dy) resulting in the first order equation u(du/dy)= f(y,u) with y as the independent variable and u as the dependent variable.
 
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Benny said:
[tex]yy'' = 2\left( {y'} \right)^2 [/tex]. The independent variable doesn't seem to be there. So perhaps [tex]p\left( y \right) = y' \Rightarrow y'' = p\frac{{dp}}{{dy}}[/tex] so that [tex]yp\frac{{dp}}{{dy}} = 2p^2 [/tex]. It would also be a good idea to not 'cancel' a p from both sides.

You can divide by p if p is not zero. If p=0 then that means y=constant. Note that this solution satisfies the ODE.
 
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thank you!
 

1. What is a second order ODE?

A second order ordinary differential equation (ODE) is a mathematical equation that relates a function and its first and second derivatives. It can be written in the form of y`` = f(x,y,y`).

2. How do you solve a second order ODE?

To solve a second order ODE like yy``=2y`^2, you can use various methods such as separation of variables, substitution, or the method of undetermined coefficients. It is important to first identify the type of ODE and then use the appropriate method to solve it.

3. What is the significance of the second order ODE?

The second order ODE is a key tool in mathematical modeling and is used to describe a wide range of physical phenomena such as motion, heat transfer, and population growth. It allows us to understand and predict the behavior of a system based on its initial conditions and external factors.

4. Can a second order ODE have multiple solutions?

Yes, a second order ODE can have multiple solutions. This is because there are infinite possible functions that can satisfy the given equation. However, the initial conditions or boundary conditions can help determine a unique solution.

5. Are there any real-life applications for solving second order ODEs?

Yes, there are many real-life applications for solving second order ODEs. Some examples include predicting the trajectory of a projectile, modeling the spread of diseases, and analyzing the movement of a pendulum. It is a powerful tool in engineering, physics, and other fields of science.

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