And , actually, challenging your own views makes you a better debater and makes your views stronger.Agreed, far too often people debate to "win" or "beat the opponent" when mutual understanding and learning from both vantage points is the true victory.
While I agree, I need to add the caveats that :The problem being, "professional debaters" such as politicians generally do not want cool and rational debates - they want to push their narrative at all costs, even if it is wrong. _Rational_ debate is not good for them - it may expose that narrative is false.
They don't care whether it is true or not, the narrative is merely a tool for them - to gain popular support, to appear to be "the good guy, battling against evil forces". Your only hope is to support him, or else all is lost, disasters and genocides are practically assured.
Since they practice doing this literally for years or even decades, they are real masters. Ever heard about "controlling the narrative", i.e. _preventing_ debate from deviating from controlled track and into having intelligent discussions with rational arguments?
This often confuses and frustrates people who are new to "discussions" of this type. They are lost. They can't figure out who is right or wrong, whose "outrage", "indignation", "shock" has any real substance or it is just theatrics.
It seems to be contagious. Non-politicians also somehow get drawn into this behavioral pattern. Maybe subconsciously, we are all "a bit politicians"?
When a thread has replies already that you agree with, but there is something you want to add, start with something to the effect of "In addition to what has already been said, ..." Missing that earlier responders may think you are trying to correct them and take offence. I know this from experience and now I try to include it whenever I remember.
While I agree, I need to add the caveats that :
1)Politicians do this because people allow them , and maybe even want them to.
2)Politicians are treated as if they came from other planets. No, they come from our schools, churches, general institutions. If they are rotten is because the societies that produce them -- meaning all of us -- are also rotten.
Agreed, far too often people debate to "win" or "beat the opponent" when mutual understanding and learning from both vantage points is the true victory.