3 phase equipment on 1 phase supply

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the challenges of operating a 3-phase plasma cutter on a 1-phase electrical supply. Participants explore various methods for achieving this, including potential modifications, alternative power sources, and the implications of efficiency and power requirements.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions researching ways to convert 1-phase to 3-phase without a phase converter, referencing a "sub-phase" concept with a 90º phase separation that may reduce efficiency.
  • Another suggests contacting the electric utility to bring 3-phase power, noting the potential high costs involved.
  • A participant inquires about the power specifications and circuit diagram of the plasma cutter, suggesting rewiring or rebuilding the power supply if it converts to DC.
  • It is noted that 3-phase plasma cutters provide smoother output with less ripple due to overlapping phases, which may reduce current requirements per phase.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of using an unused 3-phase induction motor to create an approximate 3-phase system from a single-phase source.
  • Discussion includes rotary and solid-state phase converters, with concerns raised about their effectiveness in balancing phases and their cost.
  • Another participant points out that the plasma cutter model has a single-phase version available and discusses potential wiring configurations for the transformer.
  • It is reiterated that 3-phase systems require less regulation and filtering after rectification, as the voltage does not fall to zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various opinions on the feasibility of operating a 3-phase plasma cutter on a 1-phase supply, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Multiple competing views on solutions and their implications remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations regarding the power requirements of the plasma cutter and the potential inefficiencies of different conversion methods. There is also uncertainty about the specific wiring configurations and safety considerations involved in modifying the equipment.

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I was given a 3 phase plasma cutter (no motor in machine only transformers)and my garage is only 1 phase. I have been doing a little research on converting 1 phase to 3 phase but it is just to expensive for my budget! I did come across an article that suggested that is can be done without a phase converter. It was talking about a "sub-phase" not really sure how it works. I do know that a normal 3 phase separation is 120º and with 220v a/c the phase separation is 180º it said that with the "sub-phase" has a 90º phase separation. It does however lower the efficiency of the machine. That I can live with. If anyone knows a way I could do this I would be very thankful.
 
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Maybe you could have your electric utility bring three phase to you. Very expensive also probably. Other than that you are probably out of luck.
 
What power is the machine?

What is make and part number? Is there a circuit diagram?

If it converts to DC and has a transformer you might be able to rewire it for single phase OR rebuild the power supply with a single phase transformer.

3-phase machines tend to be high power and too much for domestic supplies.
 
I have been told the reason a lot of 3-phase plasma cutters are 3-phase is because when the are full-wave rectified they have a very smooth output with little ripple since all of the phases tend to overlap. Naturally current requirements per phase will also be less than single phase.
 
The Plasma cutter is a Miller Spectrum 701. I do have the operating manual that has the a circuit diagram.
 
If you have an unused three phase induction motor, you can produce an approx three phase system by using of one single phase source.

For a short discussion you can refer to Machine question No.19 from http://electrical-riddles.com.
 
You can make or buy a rotary phase converter, which is what msj suggests, but I have been told they don't balance the phases very well. There are also solid state phase converters which, like a VFD, chop the input signal to DC, then rebuild it to what you need. They aren't cheap, though.

Here's one: http://www.phaseperfect.com/
 
Looks like it does come in a single phase version. A single phase transformer may be available. It is not partucularly high power 6.5 - 7.5 kW so I don't know why they bother with 3 phase.

If the transfomer is a Y (Delta) input it may be possible to strap all the phases to 'live' and connect the centre point of the transformer to neutral. Maybe try one, two and all three phases. If it does seem to work check that the transfomer does not run too hot.

If you try it you must have an RCD (earth fault trip breaker) and a suitably low current circuit breaker and/or fuse in circuit. IF ANY DOUBT DONT.
 
The reason they use 3 phase is as I stated in my previous post. Less regulation and filtering is required after the rectifiers when using 3 phase since the voltage never falls to zero.
 

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