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50th anniversary of Playboy Magazine

  1. Dec 19, 2003 #1
    On this 50th anniversary of Playboy Magazine, perhaps a discussion of pornography is appropriate. Pornography is defined as
    sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal. Those who promote it believe they are exercising their right from the first amendment of the United States Constitution:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    The delicate question before us goes beyond the legal justification for allowing anyone to speak or write about anything they choose to. It speaks to the moral and ethical ramifications of such an enterprise. Our society today is inundated with references to sexuality in any medium we experience. The often quoted justification is that "sex sells" and therefore if marketing outlets can somehow equate a material purchase with sexual gratification, then some hidden unmet need will be satisfied. This is Freudianomics at its worst. Sex is promoted today as a means to an end and not the expression of love between consenting adults. Pornography portrays sex as some lustful hedonism with little regard for the potential outcome of such an experience. Still, millions of people purchase it for their own sexual stimulation. They believe that since those being filmed are consenting adults there is no harm to anyone. Assuming there is mutual consent among the actors, what is the difference between paying them to have sex with each other and paying a prostitute to have sex with you? Whether you favor or oppose pornography, it is this country's obsession with sex that is the root of the problem and the unfortunate consequences it produces. Until we as a nation can collectively mature out of this sexual pre-occupation we will be trapped in our own national adolescence.
     
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  3. Dec 19, 2003 #2

    chroot

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    Step off the soapbox. You seem to have a lot of emotional and moral dilemmas to deal with. You imply that you feel pornography is harmful. Who is harmed by it? Everyone, including the consumer, is a willing participant.

    Last I checked, every television and computer sold in the world comes equipped with an "OFF" button. If you don't like sex on TV, or sex on the internet, then make liberal use of that button.

    Besides, if you really think AMERICA is obsessed with sex, I recommend you spend some time in a European society to get a sense of perspective. America stills holds a number of wacky puritanical beliefs not shared by many other cultures. If you think sex is dirty and evil, you're in just about the best place you can be.

    - Warren
     
  4. Dec 19, 2003 #3

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    I think I'm quoting someone. "Does it really matter what those people do as long as they don’t do it in the streets and frighten the children!"
     
  5. Dec 19, 2003 #4
    I think America is obsessed with sex because it is repressed. If the 'morality police' would leave it alone, and people would not make it something to be ashamed of, there wouldn't be such a fixation on it. When it stops being 'dirty', I guarantee it would stop being such a big deal.
     
  6. Dec 20, 2003 #5
    Yes, Zero, that must be exactly why Europe, in its progressive wisdom, is so open about sex that birth control is handed out to minors, even though the stats of sexually active teenagers in Europe is far higher than in America.
     
  7. Dec 20, 2003 #6
    Stats, please? Teenagers in America are having lots of sex, in case you haven't checked. I think the kids that are able to find a partner are having sex everywhere worldwide. Are they getting pregnant more often in Europe? Are they getting more STDs?

    Most importantly, taking away birth control doesn't stop people from having sex. It hasn't worked in America, certainly.
     
  8. Dec 20, 2003 #7

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    coming from a female, i see absolutely nothing wrong with pornography as it is in america...it is managed for adults over 18, no violence comes from it, and it is safe...if any sort of "media" needs to be monitored, it is the garbage information that everyone has access to on television...
     
  9. Dec 20, 2003 #8

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    Believe me, there are more teenage moms in the US than in Europe..
     
  10. Dec 20, 2003 #9
    Do you have any stats on that? All I know is, if kids have access to birth control, they may or may not have more sex, but they certainly won't get pregnant as often.

    I think in America, the push to stop people from having sex causes some folks to ignore or downplay the issues of STDs and unwanted pregnancy. Instead of talking about condoms and birth control, they say 'if you don't have sex, it won't happen'...which is true, but unrealistic. in the real world, people have sex, and it is better to accept it and work on pragmatic solutions, rather than live in a fantasy land where everyone is asexual.
     
  11. Dec 20, 2003 #10
    "When we repress our sexuality, we undercut the foundation of human and society."

    -Hugh Hefner
     
  12. Dec 21, 2003 #11
    kerrie, porn on the net and sometimes tv too is very easy for minors to get, and sometimes it does come with violence
    Zero, I get the impression that Monique was agreeing with you. Also, have you ever noticed that if you make a stat claim, I never ask you for the study, I just use some real world simple logic to prove you made it up and don't even realise it? But I'll see if I can find it just to humor you...Also, I notice that you didn't ask choot for stats, even though he posted almost the same thing, and it was only the second post in the thread, third parargraph
    The only differences is that he didn't use the word 'stats' and I disagree with one part, unless you call having a Playboy on the shelf at every other 7-11 puritanical.
    The_Professional, yes, I'm sure that is a completely unbaised quote.
     
  13. Dec 21, 2003 #12
    Well, I've tried for half an hour and found very little. However, I did find one source that said that the age of first sexual intercouse is: US15.8, Nether17.7, German16.2, France16.8. However, I remember what I heard, but not who or exactly when or exactly what numbers, but that is not what I heard. Anyway, their numbers seem to be very recent, but they are also of the rediculus opinion that teenagers have a right to privacy that includes a right to sex, so I can't be sure of these numbers, esp. as they cite no source.
    Well, regardless of the truth of these numbers, I'm still of the opinion that all those average teenagers in those countries probably didn't wait long enough. There is one major indicator in my mind of when it has been long enough: do you still live with mom and dad? If yes, then no.
     
  14. Dec 21, 2003 #13
    Jonathan, I know Monique was agreeing with me, I was asking her for stats for the same reason I asked you for stats. I haven't made anything up, I clearly stated in at least one post that I was basically guessing based on what I know, and on common sense.

    America DOES have some wacky puritanical beliefs, silly people that we are. People afraid of dirty words, nipples, genitals, ect.
     
  15. Dec 21, 2003 #14
    Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood what you wrote. However, I stand by my other two comments:
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  16. Dec 21, 2003 #15

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    And on and on and on....

    I'm with Zero on this one (Surprise!:wink: ) Our society, in the U.S., is puritannical...sexuality is supresssed..particularly for women..thank god that's changing...slowly...Probably the easiest way to measure how suppressed our society is are the many books and programs that are now being promoted to help parents talk about...the difficult...and embarrassing...subject of S.E.X. with their teens....When those books and programs are no longer so neccesary...and the neccessity is not so..widespread and HUGE..then I think one could say we are not repressed.
     
  17. Dec 21, 2003 #16

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    Lol, sorry..but I think this would be a ridiculous indicator...particularly when you consider multi generaton households and "children" who are living and sometimes caring for their parents...well into adulthood.
    I think a better indicator would be...do you have the physical, mental, emotional maturity and financial security to care for a child or manage an abortion if your having intercourse brings one forth, as well as "do you have the personal maturity to be responsible enough to always use birth control?" and for health reasons..a condom?
     
  18. Dec 21, 2003 #17

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    Are those numbers for boys or girls? Girls have sex at a much younger age than boys do.. maybe 2-3 years difference.
     
  19. Dec 21, 2003 #18

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    Did you mean "reach puberty" instead of "have sex"? Girls in the US at least report much less sex than boys, and even allowing for the differential rewards to the sexes of bragging/hiding, sociologists believe that to be so. And I thought I saw somewhere that girls have first intercourse a year or so after the boya - in the US.
     
  20. Dec 21, 2003 #19

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    From: http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/datoact/pdf/adhlth2.pdf
    From: http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/681_1159.asp
     
  21. Dec 21, 2003 #20

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    It was a newsitem about a week ago where are sexuologist was interviewed and came with the data.

    Do you really believe boys are having sex before girls? Can you imagine a 15 year old boy have sex with a 17 year old girl? No, but it DOES work the other way around. The truth is that girls reach sexual and emotional maturity earlier than boys..

    The results DID surprise me at first though, but giving it a little thought it seems logical.. I know some guys who are 23/25 and haven't outgrown puberty :wink:
     
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