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60 Min, prez Iran

  1. Aug 14, 2006 #1
    Did anyone else watch this sad interview? I don't know who was worse, Mike Wallace and his blatantly offensive and aggressive interviewing style, or the president and his nonsense rhetoric......:uhh:


    Shoulda been Charlie Rose, and not Mike Wallace doing the interviewing.
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    I gave up on 60 Minutes and CBS along time ago. :rolleyes:

    Charlie Rose is certainly preferable.
  4. Aug 14, 2006 #3
    Nice how Wallace just "established" a bold faced lie there. Ahmadinejad conducted himself respectably though, far better than I can imagine anyone in our administration doing under similar conditions. That video of the after interview with Wallace was absurd as well, he nearly choked himself trying to rationalize what he experienced. I am offended that 60 Minutes even tried to pass that off as journalism.
  5. Aug 15, 2006 #4
    For generations now, Westerners have been taught that all peoples are the same, all cultures are the same, all religions are the same, hard-wired to live by the same self-evident truths. Our experience in Iraq, our experience with Islam, if you will, tells us, in fact, that we are not all the same. We do not all want the same things out of governments, our cultures or our religions. There are vast differences between Islam and the West, differences that are not the mission of the United States military, or in the interest of the United States to bridge."

    Whether posterity judges us kindly and calls ours a noble experiment in Iraq, the bottom line here and now is that we're not getting results. I mean, how do you expect to fight a war on terror for, or alongside, terrorist sympathizers? It can't be done.

    The Iranian mullahs and the Holocaust-denying Mahmoud Ahmadinejad want to destroy Israel and inflict as much damage to the United States and western culture as they can. They say so over and over again. They hate our way of life, our freedoms and our tolerance. Unfortunately, there's no obvious and easy way to handle the Iranian regime, just as there was no obvious and easy way to handle Hitler in the late 1930s.
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    Someone has been misinformed. Westerners are NOT taught that all peoples are the same, all cultures are the same, all religions are the same!

    What noble experiment? :rolleyes:
  7. Aug 15, 2006 #6

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    Severe IGNORANCE is the main problem at BOTH sides. Yes there is
    a problem with Iran but Demonizing and War Propaganda in order to
    establish a climate of fear and insanity preparing the path to mass
    destruction and war is not wanted.



    And no, It seems he doesn't deny the holocaust anymore after they told
    the dumbo that it realy happened....

    Regards, Hans
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  9. Aug 15, 2006 #8
    You know, he has a PhD in civil engineering, and he still teaches grad courses. You think we can get him on PF? LOL!

    Hey cyclo, you wanted another civi, well now you got one :wink:.
  10. Aug 15, 2006 #9
    As astronuc said, this is not true.

    Exactly, so don't try and bomb them into accepting your way of living, right?

    Causing a civil war and thousands of deaths flies for noble these days? :confused:

    Western culture? Eh? I think they have issue with Israel, but not western culture.

    Really, when did they say that? Can you show me where he said that please? :confused:

    You can start by talking to Iran.......................................
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  11. Aug 16, 2006 #10
    Best I can tell his point is the same now as it was back when the controversy started:

    Granted, things can get rather jumbled in translation and they don't bother to present a full transcript, but at least according to the end of what they did quote it seems the term "myth" is simply intended to suggest a half-truth; in other words, he is denying that the atrocities committed against the Jewish population of Europe in any way justify those which continue to be committed against the Palestinians.
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  12. Aug 16, 2006 #11
    Yes it was terrible, why on earth was that Journalist acting like a total w@nk? It ruined what could have been a very insightful interview. He obviously wasnt up to the job, and seemingly had his own agenda.
  13. Aug 16, 2006 #12
    I admit, I never watched that interview, though I saw a snippet in one of the news shows here.
    I don't think I'm ignorant when it comes to Iran. My dad lived there with his family for quite a while during the Shah rule and will be the first to attest to the Persians' virtues. It is very unfortunate that they are trapped under a fundamentalist regime that hangs 16-year old rape victims and stones mothers to death.
    Iran's leadership has made no effort to conceal its intents with regards to Israel. I think the Iranian nuclear program poses a true threat to Israel's existence. I hope it will be dealt with soon enough. It is generally not a good idea to allow "dumbos" (or their masters) to hold nuclear weapons.

    I couldn't find any reference to that in the sources you provided.
  14. Aug 16, 2006 #13
    They don't it's just the US media are famous for showing only the things Ahmedinajad says that are out of context or sound bites, and dismissing anything that is actually balance and educated and interesting, it doesn't sell papers, thus you just get the idea that everything he says to the west is basically a sickening series of abuse.

    I wouldn't bother explaining this though, the governement couldn't care less what the Iranian president says or thinks as long as they can portray it as unadulterated evil,as usual they are trying the usual black and white demon and angel deal, never realising that the world isn't like that any more(or ever was) After all Bush wont even talk to the guy, and the cycle of ignorance is complete.

    There is little difference in the media either, both in the UK and US there seem to be only negative slants to all he says. This man must say some good things at some point in his carreer, it's just we will it seems never hear about them unless we're preapred to look a little closer. a more balanced picture of this man is unlikely to appear at least from what I've seen. But then I always make the effort to dig a little deeper, some people are happy that there is one side to every story, it's entirely up to them though :smile:

    I long ago gave up trying to understand what the US government understands by diplomacy, since I long ago gave up expecting them to talk first and invade later, it seems the decision to invade is made years in advance and then the next five years is spent explaining exactly how to achieve this without too much PR damage.

    I can tell you one thing as well, the translation of the language is not exactly very good either so, generally what he's saying and how he's saying it and most of the context is a little off. I'm not Iranian but someone told me about a deal of translation errors(I doubt they are deliberate but they alter the meaning subtly in places) I suspect they got an American Iranian speaker to translate, not and Iranian American. Perhaps someone could calrify, anyone speak Parsi?

    I have yet to see the full interview, but am planning on watching it later. Even though I'm not a big fan of this guy, I'd rather watch him speak, than listen to Bush make another speech about how the US is fighting for blah blah, meaningless trite, banal, blah. The only thing I want to see Bush fighting for is to maintain some sort of dignity before he leaves his presidency as Ahmadinejadad put it, although he put it better than I:smile:

    Bush is a political sheep and Ahmadinejad is a political wolf, thus far more entertaining, if not exactly your bag and all that.
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  15. Aug 16, 2006 #14

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    He seems to be in doubt (about the Holocaust) now rather than denying it.

    Still, any such ignorance about the most appalling crimes against humanity
    is shocking.

    I can’t help pointing out the US administrations own case of never ending
    Holocaust denial, as recently as two weeks ago:

    The genocide of 1.5 million Christian Armenians by the Turkish Ottoman
    empire 1915-1923. Hitler once suggested that the world would forget about
    the "Endlösung" like the world also forgot about the Armenian Genocide.
    (late Pat Jennings, ABC news)

    (See Pat’s ABC news video at: http://theforgotten.org/site/intro_eng.html)

    A denial to please its Turkish ally. Most Western European countries
    have officially recognized the Armenian Holocaust. The US administration
    refuses to do so. Most individual states however did recognize it with the
    notable exception of Texas, but including the state of Florida (and Jeb


    Regards, Hans
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  16. Aug 16, 2006 #15
    It wasnt only Armenians that were killed in this prelude to the Holocaust but many Greeks, and other Christians living in Asia minor. Its Turkeys albatross now, if they want in the EU they have to admit this. If they admit it, it will be political suicide for whomever does so.
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