A friend of mine just did some work for this person and brought him to my attention. He is certainly one of Oregon's finest. I guess his 160,000 acre ranch [about 30 miles by 5 miles] includes private snow skiing. He is quite an impressive person. http://www.pamplin.org/home.html Apparently he may hold more degrees than any living person. Anyway, no real point I just thought he is interesting.