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8-year-olds placed in Cage Fights

  1. Sep 24, 2011 #1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7fCtYTUAf8

    Skip to 0:51, look at the tone of that kid, he obviously LOVES violence thanks to his moronic father.

    It's fun

    IN other words, "I like to beat people up and people weaker than me!"
     
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  3. Sep 24, 2011 #2
    How is this legal?
     
  4. Sep 24, 2011 #3
    You were able to get that much insight about the kid just from him saying "fun"?
    Amazing.

    So if one kid likes playing chess he must enjoy dominating stupid people.
     
  5. Sep 24, 2011 #4
    No law to make it illegal.

    Wrestling, peewee football, peewee lacrosse, and peewee boxing (more dangerous than that) are all legal, so I don't know what the fuss is about. You think that is disgusting just compare boxing and UFC statistics.
     
  6. Sep 24, 2011 #5
    Why should martial arts be illegal?
     
  7. Sep 24, 2011 #6
    meh. just a couple of kids grappling. you guys didn't do this when you were kids?
     
  8. Sep 24, 2011 #7
    Gathering crowd and make kids fight each other...
    I would never allow this to happen in my country.

    Jack, you call cage fighting martial arts?
     
  9. Sep 24, 2011 #8
    because martial arts isn't just about violence, it's an art. This is just pure violence.
     
  10. Sep 24, 2011 #9
    I am 100% in support of this. It's called mixed martial arts. No different than participating in any other sport.

    Ha! How would you know? These kids have probably been working hard and practicing. Just because you don't have the trained eye to see it as an art, doesn't mean it isn't.
     
  11. Sep 24, 2011 #10
    Those kids aren't just wailing on one another, you can clearly see wrestling, and a mixture of martial art-based styles being incorporated into their fighting. Also they aren't being "made" to fight, rather they decided to do that on their own, similar to a kid knocking another kids skull out of his head (exaggeration) in boxing and is noted as being more dangerous than what those kids are doing.
     
  12. Sep 24, 2011 #11
    At what age do boxers start serious training?


    Maybe, does anyone have back drop on the training? Are they taking traditional karate or judo? Martial arts must contain mental and spiritual development.

    fyi, looking at the video it does appear it is just wresting/grappling. But once kicks and punches are involved I think it draws the line, especially if it's without proper padding and money is involved.
     
  13. Sep 24, 2011 #12
    I think you are naive if you think that dad didn't have a major influence. Indoctrination is prevalent in ages younger than 14 when full consciousness is not yet developed.
     
  14. Sep 24, 2011 #13
    Influence is different from being made.
     
  15. Sep 24, 2011 #14
    You're right, he isn't a slave, but at that age in the right environment there is little difference. Do you support those very young girls in beauty pageants?
     
  16. Sep 24, 2011 #15
    Go to 0:28 to 0:30

    That kid just kick the other kid's face while they were on ground.
     
  17. Sep 24, 2011 #16

    OmCheeto

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    If they gave them guns and/or knives, I'd pay to watch.

    I'm a big fan of Darwinianism.

    Tommy; "Hi Joey. These blokes talked us into gettin' in here and killin' each other. I'd kind of like to grow up to be a teacher or somethin'. What'ya say we point the guns at the audience, and start shootin'"

    Joey; "Sounds good to me."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTZ7iX4vTQ

    All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
    You'd better run, better run, faster than my bullet


    Sure. Me and my 4 brothers beat the crap out of each other when we were that age.

    Then we grew up.

    hmmm.... I even liked watching boxing for a while, until I watched the Mancini vs KIM fight.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThQFPJpVtK8

    That was my second thought, boss. Thank you.
     
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  18. Sep 24, 2011 #17
    Everyone is influenced by people at young ages. But a beauty pageant for kids winning a contest is to be demonized and a spelling bee isn't?
     
  19. Sep 24, 2011 #18

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    Not that I condone this, but ...

    Apparently, six.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFeElpXyvbg

    Nope. Make that five.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_1KfvOYVi0

    Nope. Make that four!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUl7m_Kli0

    Nope. Three!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLmIBebss6g

    Two!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC5vuniPXuU


    Different cultures. We supposedly civilized peoples push our kids, too.
     
  20. Sep 24, 2011 #19
    The same argument that you guys are making goes for ANY child in ANY sport. Yes, the parents have major influence, but there is no getting around that. For every child that wishes their parents didn't push them into things, there is a teenager or adult who wishes their parents had pushed them more.

    There is absolutely nothing saying martial arts need spiritual development. That's something you see in movies. A great many martial arts, even aside from MMA, lack the whole 'spiritual development' thing.

    Look, this happens with every sport. If you've never practiced both a striking and grappling martial art...of course you are not going to appreciate the intricacies of it and appreciate the work that goes into becoming great at it.
     
  21. Sep 24, 2011 #20
    Sure, but the question is whether it is a positive or negative influence. Spelling Bee will at least improve mental development. Taking hits to your body doesn't. However I agree that there are abuses in there too.

    Pushing your child into a fighting sport without moral guidance is a mistake in my book. There is a big difference in basketball or piano to boxing. One increases mental fitness, the other increases brain damage.

    Then it is not a martial art, it is just fighting. The art implies mental development through it's cultural philosophy.

    I took Tae-Kwon-Do for three years and although it was a complete joke, at least the master did teach me Korean culture and the philosophy behind the moves. He also taught martial arts are for self defense only and we sparred using proper gear.
     
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  22. Sep 24, 2011 #21
    I really don't know if I should watch that. Just reading the title of the thread disturbs me a lot!
     
  23. Sep 24, 2011 #22
    Reminds me of Clockwork Orange for some odd reason.
     
  24. Sep 24, 2011 #23

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    From other BBC news reports on this, they were taking part in "MMA" (Multi martial arts) which uses a combination of techniques from several of the "traditional" martial arts disciplines, including the mental and spiritual aspects.

    Extrapolating from a Google search for MMA clubs in my home town, there must be thousands of them in the whole of the UK, and (according to BBC news) many of them take part in regular competitive events - though normally with an audience of "families of club members" not the general public.

    I don't have any connection with this, but it seems that there was nothing particularly unusual about this event, except for the fact that it was sensationalized by a newspaper report, and of course once the story was in the public domain it spread. The fact that the fight took place in a "cage" was apparently more by happenstance than for any other reason (the cage just happened to be set up at the time) - though clearly that was bad publicity once the "Why O why O why is the country doing to the dogs" brigade got to hear about it.

    Don't worry, there will be another half-true sensationalized news story to replace it in a few days time!

    Apparently the video was posted on youtube without the consent of the family of one of the kids involved. I have no idea who decided to do that, or what their motives were, but AFAIK that would seem to be at best borderline-illegal under UK law, even though the actual contest was entirely legal.
     
  25. Sep 24, 2011 #24
    Greg, I understand what you are saying, but do try to understand that the word "martial art" is not necessarily defined as something including philosophy or cultural development, even though that does tag along in many cases. There are tons of martial arts that do not involve these things. What would be your word for those that don't include philosophy?

    As far as the spelling bee being better for mental development, you're 100% right. BUT, not every kid desires to be a great (or even good) intellectual. There are a lot of people that simply grow up caring more about sports and physical activities. The bottom line, and I hope we can at least agree on this, is that the onus is on the parents to make a judgment call about what might be best for their child and what their child might be happiest doing.
     
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  26. Sep 24, 2011 #25
    Pop culture maybe define a fighting style as a martial art (mostly for promotion), but it doesn't make it so. I respect the ancient arts as do most because because they had a purpose outside violence. Martial arts is about full personal development, not just developing a punch to win a match. Again, I don't have a problem with a full grown man doing whatever he wants to his own body, but with undeveloped kids it's different.
     
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