News 9/11; who cares!

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Last evening, at midnight, I was going to post a reminder re: 9/11. I decide to wait, as I was sure others would post. Saddened is too weak a term to describe my feelings. We are at war with about 150 million worshipers of Islam who actively participate or abet a small group of despicable, indescribable malevolent, bipeds. These minions are in turn supported by millions of their apologists. What a f***** up world!
 
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Why don't you go ahead and start?
 
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GENIERE said:
Last evening, at midnight, I was going to post a reminder re: 9/11. I decide to wait, as I was sure others would post. Saddened is too weak a term to describe my feelings. We are at war with about 150 million worshipers of Islam who actively participate or abet a small group of despicable, indescribable malevolent, bipeds. These minions are in turn supported by millions of their apologists. What a f***** up world!
Stop smearing muslims again!
 

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Stop smearing muslims again!
Geniere's complaint, which I share, is that peaceful muslims are doing little to nothing to stop the terrorists who are hijacking their religion. Why don't they take control of their religion, politics, etc? See studentx's thread.
 
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150 million?, NO a few thousad nut case belivers
opposed by our nut case belivers christian and jewish extremists

maybe a better idea is a war on all fairy tales
or at least the active dangerios ones
not on the people ,
just on the stupid MYTHS they belive

if we can show them there is no GOD,
there is no reason for terror or war in god's name
and any theocracy is a very BAD IDEA in the holy land or the HOMELAND
or anywhere

best first step is get the christian rightwing out of office
that we can do with out bloodshed
then quit paying for the Zionists theocracy with USA TAX MONY
next work on the moslems
 
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russ_watters said:
Geniere's complaint, which I share, is that peaceful muslims are doing little to nothing to stop the terrorists who are hijacking their religion. Why don't they take control of their religion, politics, etc? See studentx's thread.
What are you doing to stop Bush's Whitehouse prayer meetings? Or Jerry Falwell's crazy campaigns?
 
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evading the problem again.
 
russ_watters said:
Geniere's complaint, which I share, is that peaceful muslims are doing little to nothing to stop the terrorists who are hijacking their religion. Why don't they take control of their religion, politics, etc? See studentx's thread.
Johnny's complaint, which I share, is that peaceful Westerners are doing little to nothing to stop the WTO and multinational corporations that are destroying environmental, public health, and labor laws, undermining local economies, and expropriating the natural resources in poorer nations. Why don't they take control of their economics, politics, etc?
 

Mercator

I think on this day it would be approriate for all in the free world to stand up together with Americans. Mourn, shout with rage or whatever you feel. If on this kind of occasion one is not able to put aside differences on the side issues, one is indeed an apologist. When 911 happened, I donated to the red cross. A feeble gesture, I know, but since then I supported every action to make do with the very source of this evil. Unfortunately Iraq was not one of them, as it completely undermined the moral high ground as well as the political and even military strenght of the US, and thus of the free world. Radicalization of Islam is no fairy tale. It's too easy to blame the whole of Islam, but it is obvious they have a big problem. Together with the Americans I will defend our freedom by all means. 911 is a day to let the world know just that. And let nobody think that while we have fierce discussions among us, that we don't agree about the principle.
 

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What are you doing to stop Bush's Whitehouse prayer meetings? Or Jerry Falwell's crazy campaigns?
Neither Bush nor Jerry Falwell is strapping bombs on children and sending them to bus stations or hijacking civilian airliners and flying them into bus stations, or murdering hundreds of children and their parents in a school.
Johnny's complaint, which I share, is that peaceful Westerners are doing little to nothing to stop the WTO and multinational corporations that are destroying environmental, public health, and labor laws, undermining local economies, and expropriating the natural resources in poorer nations. Why don't they take control of their economics, politics, etc?
You're comparing economics to terrorism? Are you of the perception that the economic prosperity of the west in the past hundred or so years has made things worse for non-western countries?
 
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I think on this day it would be approriate for all in the free world to stand up together with Americans...
Mercator, in this political forum, I don’t think you have ever posted anything I’ve agreed with.

I can’t thank you enough for this one.
 

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russ_watters said:
Geniere's complaint, which I share, is that peaceful muslims are doing little to nothing to stop the terrorists who are hijacking their religion. Why don't they take control of their religion, politics, etc? See studentx's thread.
That's not what he said russ. He said they "actively support" the terrorists.

And how exactly does a common Muslim person who perhaps works in a little shop 12 hours a day; who just barely makes enough money to feed his 5 children and 2 wives, supposed to "stop the terrorists who are hijacking" his religion ?

Are Religious Muslim groups that command public attention doing enough to condemn the terrorists ? NO ! Are Islamic Goverments doing enough to eradicate terror cells operating under their noses ? No way ! Are there common people who do sympathise with Al Qaeda ? Yes, there are.

But going so far as to blame every Taamir, Dawoud and Hamid is one angry step too many. It's this kind of generalization that leads to acts of ethnic cleansing.
 

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If I had meant every Taamir, Dawoud and Hamid I would have stated 1.3 billion rather than 150 million.
 

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Sorry, I thought you were refering to the combined populations of Iraq and Afghanistan, but that's actually more like 50 mill.
 

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GENIERE said:
Mercator, in this political forum, I don’t think you have ever posted anything I’ve agreed with.

I can’t thank you enough for this one.
Geniere, in discussions like this, positions tend to be polarized in stead of growing towards each other. I am guilty of overdoing it in the heat of discussion, like so many here. It all ends, like I found out on another board on which I was more active the last few months, in useless shouting and insulting. It does not hurt to restate one's basic viewpoints now and then, if not to clarify a position for the others, then to refocus yourself.
 
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i forgive u merc
 
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Mercator said:
And let nobody think that while we have fierce discussions among us, that we don't agree about the principle.
:smile: that's a good thought
 

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GENIERE said:
My hand is extended. Sorry, no right-handed icons.

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No problem, I'll use a mirror.
 

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This starts to sound like a self-help group :-) We need some controversy quick!
 

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Here's one :

There are several countries all over the world that lose hundreds of lives each year to terrorism, civil strife, and maniacal despots.

Can we designate one day of the year for each of them, so they too will be thought about ?

We, living relatively happily in America, can't nearly fathom the true meaning of the word 'hardship', as experienced by many of these unfortunate folk.

I'm reminded of this incident before the NCAA College Basketball Final Game (U Conn vs G Tech) this year. A sidelines reporter asked Emeka Okafor (MVP) how nervous he was, going into the game. Emeka answered that he was pretty nervous alright, but compared to what he had to live through in Nigeria on a daily basis, this was a walk in the park.
 

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Gokul, the world had and has many local conflicts, whereby the parties call their opponents terrorists. The IRA, the ETA, African and Asian warlords, all of them commit despicable acts, mostly because of issues of control and power. But rarely did a terrorist action like 9/11 occur, where terrorists fly around the globe to another country to terrorize the people there , not for local control, but for changing the world order. THAT is in my eyes the difference with other forms of terrorism, genocide etc... So it comes down to the question: which "order" do you prefer in the world? That being said, the free world should be very carefull not to spill it's resources for wrong causes. In the case of Iraq, the effect is that extremism has another new cause and recruiting ground. In my eyes, we should have focused longer on Afghanistan and Mr. Laden. And I am realist enough to understand the attitude towards Saudi and Pak, but some guys there sponsored Al Queda and proliferated nuclear arms. Today they are treated much too nicely.
 

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Mercator said:
Gokul, the world had and has many local conflicts, whereby the parties call their opponents terrorists. The IRA, the ETA, African and Asian warlords, all of them commit despicable acts, mostly because of issues of control and power. But rarely did a terrorist action like 9/11 occur, where terrorists fly around the globe to another country to terrorize the people there , not for local control, but for changing the world order.
Very true. But I think 9/11 was more an act of revenge and hatred (something of a crusade) directed at one specific government than out of a desire to change the world order.

I agree too much with the rest...so I'll stop here.
 

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Very true. But I think 9/11 was more an act of revenge and hatred (something of a crusade) directed at one specific government than out of a desire to change the world order.
I don't think so. Bali and Madrid bombings, several arrests in other European countries... And, I guess, it was not a coincident that the WORLD TRADE centre was targeted.
 

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I think the repurcussions of 9/11 were global, and al-Qaeda capitalized on this. I don't believe 9/11 was part of a worldwide terror plan. The Madrid bombings happened only because Spain was a participant in the Iraq War. I'm not denying that al-Qaeda has a global network, but I don't think they foresaw that 9/11 would affect the whole world.
 

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