A caracterisation of f=0 by integrals

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In summary, the conversation discusses a solution to the question of showing that if the integral of a function multiplied by a function in a certain space is equal to zero, then the original function must be zero as well. The conversation includes attempts at using convergence theorems and regularity of the Lebesgue measure to prove this implication. One person suggests using a sequence of functions in a specific space that converges to the characteristic function of [0,1] to prove the implication. Another person clarifies the notation for the specific space being discussed and offers a different argument using the regularity of the Lebesgue measure.
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[SOLVED] A caracterisation of f=0 by integrals

Homework Statement


Does anyone know how to show, or know a book that proves the implication

[tex]\left(\int_0^1f\varphi = 0 \ \ \forall \varphi \in C_c^1([0,1])\right)\Rightarrow f=0[/tex]

for f in L²([0,1]) and where [itex]C_c^1([0,1])[/itex] denotes the C^1([0,1]) functions whose support is contained in (0,1).

Thanks.

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried using the density of [itex]C_c^1([0,1])[/itex] in L^1 to obtained a sequence [itex]\varphi_n[/itex] that converges pointwise a.e. to the caracteristic function of [0,1] and then plugging-in the convergence theorems (Fatou, motone and dominated) but I eventually aknowledged that this would not work. Well, at least I got

[tex]\int_0^1f\leq 0[/tex]

out of Fatou.
 
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Just to be clear, isn't [itex]C_c^1([0,1])[/itex] the set of compactly supported continuously differentiable funtions on [0,1]?

Anyway, here are some thoughts. Consider an open subset U of [0,1], whose characteristic function is [itex]\chi[/itex]. Get a sequence [itex]\{\varphi_n\}[/itex] in [itex]C_c^1([0,1])[/itex] that converges a.e. to [itex]\chi[/itex]. We can assume that [itex]M = \sup_n \| \varphi_n \|_\infty < \infty[/itex] (just construct them properly). So [itex]f\varphi_n \to f\chi[/itex] a.e., and [itex]\{f\varphi_n\}[/itex] is majorized by M|f|, which is integrable. Hence, by the dominated convergence theorem, [itex]\int_U f = 0[/itex] for all open subsets U of [0,1]. Now use the regularity of the Lebesgue measure to conclude that f=0 a.e.
 
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morphism said:
Just to be clear, isn't [itex]C_c^1([0,1])[/itex] the set of compactly supported continuously differentiable funtions on [0,1]?

Dunno if this is standard convention or not but my professor uses [itex]C_c^1([0,1])[/itex] to denote the set of compactly supported continuously differentiable funtions on (0,1). So for instance, the characteristic function of [0,1] is not in [itex]C_c^1([0,1])[/itex] according to my prof.

morphism said:
Anyway, here are some thoughts. Consider an open subset U of [0,1], whose characteristic function is [itex]\chi[/itex]. Get a sequence [itex]\{\varphi_n\}[/itex] in [itex]C_c^1([0,1])[/itex] that converges a.e. to [itex]\chi[/itex]. We can assume that [itex]M = \sup_n \| \varphi_n \|_\infty < \infty[/itex] (just construct them properly). So [itex]f\varphi_n \to f\chi[/itex] a.e., and [itex]\{f\varphi_n\}[/itex] is majorized by M|f|, which is integrable. Hence, by the dominated convergence theorem, [itex]\int_U f = 0[/itex] for all open subsets U of [0,1]. Now use the regularity of the Lebesgue measure to conclude that f=0 a.e.

Neat argument!

Say, have you seen my other similar question ?

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=226834
 
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1. What is the purpose of characterizing f=0 by integrals?

The purpose of characterizing f=0 by integrals is to understand the behavior of the function f when it is equal to zero. This characterization allows us to analyze the properties and features of the function in different contexts.

2. How is the characterization of f=0 by integrals useful in scientific research?

The characterization of f=0 by integrals is useful in scientific research because it provides a mathematical framework for studying and analyzing the behavior of functions that are equal to zero. This can be applied to various fields such as physics, engineering, and economics.

3. Can the characterization of f=0 by integrals be applied to all types of functions?

Yes, the characterization of f=0 by integrals can be applied to all types of functions as long as they are defined and continuous within the given interval. This includes both real and complex valued functions.

4. How does the characterization of f=0 by integrals differ from other methods of analyzing functions?

The characterization of f=0 by integrals differs from other methods of analyzing functions because it focuses specifically on the behavior of the function when it is equal to zero. Other methods may analyze the overall behavior of the function or specific features such as its derivatives or critical points.

5. Are there any limitations to the characterization of f=0 by integrals?

One limitation of the characterization of f=0 by integrals is that it may not be applicable to functions that are discontinuous or undefined within the given interval. Additionally, it may not provide a comprehensive understanding of the function's behavior in certain cases where other methods of analysis may be more suitable.

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