A general problem in (q,p) -> (Q,P) for Hamiltonian

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving a Hamiltonian H(q,p) and a transformation of coordinates (q,p) to (Q,P). The person is seeking help with determining if the transformation is canonical and solving the equations of motion. They also inquire about finding the constants of motion and their relationship with the Hamiltonian. The response confirms their approach to solving the problem and provides guidance on finding the constants of motion.
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Hello everyone, this is my first thread. Hope to be helpful here, as well as to find some help! :D


Homework Statement



Given a Hamiltonian [itex]H(q,p)[/itex](known) and given a transformation of coordinates [itex](q,p)\rightarrow (Q,P)[/itex]:

a) Show that it is a canonic transformation
b) Solve the equations of motion
c) Is this a symmetry of H? Find the constants of motion.

Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



Just need to know if I'm wrong in some of these, and in that case being sure I'm doing right

a) By using the Poisson brackets, they must verify all of these

[itex]\left\{Q,P\right\}=1[/itex]
[itex]\left\{ P,Q \right\}=-1[/itex]
[itex]\left\{ Q,Q \right\}=0[/itex]
[itex]\left\{ P,P \right\}=0[/itex]


b) I tried by using the chain rule in the Hamiltonian

[itex]\frac{\partial H}{\partial p}=\frac{\partial H}{\partial P}\frac{\partial P}{\partial p} + \frac{\partial H}{\partial Q}\frac{\partial Q}{\partial p}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{\partial H}{\partial q}=\frac{\partial H}{\partial P}\frac{\partial P}{\partial q} + \frac{\partial H}{\partial Q}\frac{\partial Q}{\partial q}[/itex]

then I have a system of two equations and the two [itex]\frac{\partial H}{\partial Q}[/itex] and [itex]\frac{\partial H}{\partial P}[/itex], which will give me the equation of motion by using Hamilton's:

[itex]-\frac{\partial H}{\partial Q}= \dot{P}[/itex]
[itex]-\frac{\partial H}{\partial P}= \dot{Q}[/itex]


c) This point I haven't got clear. I've tried to relate it with 1, knowing that a quantity f is a constant of motion if the Poisson Bracket [itex]\left\{ H,f \right\}=0[/itex], i.e., if commutes with the Hamiltonian, but yet I've not it clear.

Thank you very much!
 
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Thank you for your post and welcome to the forum! It's great to have another scientist join our community. Let's take a look at your questions and see if we can help.

a) Your approach to showing that the transformation is canonical is correct. The Poisson brackets must satisfy the four properties you listed in order for the transformation to be canonical.

b) Your approach to solving the equations of motion using the chain rule is also correct. However, you should also consider the inverse transformation (Q,P)\rightarrow (q,p) to get the complete set of equations of motion.

c) Your understanding of a constant of motion is correct. In this case, the constants of motion will be functions of the coordinates and momenta in the new coordinates (Q,P). To find them, you can use the fact that the Poisson bracket of the Hamiltonian with the constant of motion must be zero.

I hope this helps! Let us know if you have any further questions or if you need clarification on anything. Good luck with your work!
 

FAQ: A general problem in (q,p) -> (Q,P) for Hamiltonian

1. What is the general problem in (q,p) -> (Q,P) for Hamiltonian?

The general problem in (q,p) -> (Q,P) for Hamiltonian is known as the Hamiltonian equations or Hamilton's equations of motion. This is a set of equations that describe the evolution of a dynamical system in terms of its position and momentum variables.

2. What is the significance of (q,p) and (Q,P) in the Hamiltonian equations?

(q,p) and (Q,P) represent the canonical variables in the Hamiltonian equations. These variables are fundamental in classical mechanics as they describe the state of a system in terms of its position and momentum.

3. How do the Hamiltonian equations relate to the principle of least action?

The Hamiltonian equations are derived from the principle of least action, which states that the path of a system between two points in time is the one that minimizes the action integral. The Hamiltonian equations provide a mathematical framework for solving this minimization problem.

4. How do the Hamiltonian equations differ from the Lagrangian equations?

The Hamiltonian equations and the Lagrangian equations are two different approaches to solving classical mechanics problems. While the Lagrangian equations describe the dynamics of a system in terms of generalized coordinates and their derivatives, the Hamiltonian equations use the canonical variables (q,p) and (Q,P) to describe the same dynamics.

5. What are some applications of the Hamiltonian equations?

The Hamiltonian equations have a wide range of applications in physics and engineering, including celestial mechanics, fluid mechanics, and quantum mechanics. They are also used in areas such as control theory and optimal control, as well as in the study of chaotic systems.

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