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If there is a god I'm positive that everyone out there would agree that his power is infinite. BUT. If God truely has infinite power is it possible for God to purposely make an object so heavy that he himself cannot lift it?
I tried singing "99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall". I got bored and quit, because the song took to long to finish, so I never experienced the song in it's entirety. When I tried to think of infinity and endless space, I never got there, the same thing happened.lvlastermind said:If there is a god I'm positive that everyone out there would agree that his power is infinite. BUT. If God truely has infinite power is it possible for God to purposely make an object so heavy that he himself cannot lift it?
If there is a god, most people would not accept it, so your point is not valid. How could you be positive about this, anyway?lvlastermind said:If there is a god I'm positive that everyone out there would agree that his power is infinite.
Infinite power is a meaningless catch phrase. What do you mean by it?BUT. If God truely has infinite power is it possible for God to purposely make an object so heavy that he himself cannot lift it?
that only deals with physical parts. what if these parts are made of an unlimited form of energy that can be reduced, not divided??omin said:I tried singing "99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall". I got bored and quit, because the song took to long to finish, so I never experienced the song in it's entirety. When I tried to think of infinity and endless space, I never got there, the same thing happened.
Infinity is finite. I'll prove it. Take for instance mass. Mass may be imaginatively split infinitely. The parts may be imaginatively split but physically they do not increase or decrease in mass, so parts are always finite. Is the universe infinite? Every finite piece can make up a finite whole. How could finite peices make an infinity? An infinite amount of peices. But try to imagine that. Infinity must be finite. Afterall, that's all I've experienced of it.
olde drunk said:what if these parts are made of an unlimited form of energy that can be reduced, not divided?
All things of the world are physical. All things that can be sensed are sensed directly by the human senses or through human instrumentation that brings effects of physical things to human senses. All things physical, representing everything sensable, are known only because they become thought. Thought represents only human sense (five of them). We may only disuss what we think. All things that we think are physically derived. Energy is percieved by humans. So, energy is physical.
All things known are physical. What is known is limited by temporality of our consciousness. Everyones 'unlimited' or 'infinity' concept has a different value based upon their cognitive experience.
All things sensed have scope. 'Unilimited' energy is percieved only as finite, because it has a value according to ther person's mind and instrumentation bringing it to mind. All things that have a scope can be divided to the limits of perception and mechanical ability. Energy can be divided.
Infinity seems to be just a finite property, the property of addition, which needs the assuption that one can comprehend having added matter forever or pulled two peices of matter away from each other forever and use it in the same sentence.
Infinity means 'a finite thought' + nothing.
This sounds like an appeal to ignorance. Am I correct?cronxeh said:god doesnt exist. neither does hell/heaven/demons or any of that crap you were fed as a child. get a grip and see whats wrong with this world - religion.
I agree that religious theories do create mental disorder and are harmful to society. The most popular religious theories today are political and mainstream television. Most of us traded a bible for prime time and politics.cronxeh said:get a grip and see whats wrong with this world - religion.
wouldn't a better conclusion be God's existence or non existence remains the subject of debate? ha ........I couldn't resistGod cannot be proven to exist. God cannot be proven to not exist. Therefore, God doesn't exist.
Infinity is not finiteomin said:Infinity is finite. I'll prove it. Take for instance mass. Mass may be imaginatively split infinitely. The parts may be imaginatively split but physically they do not increase or decrease in mass, so parts are always finite. Is the universe infinite? Every finite piece can make up a finite whole. How could finite peices make an infinity? An infinite amount of peices. But try to imagine that. Infinity must be finite. Afterall, that's all I've experienced of it.
This is where the problem arises. Your paradox is with regard to omnipotence, but the use of the term "god" conjures up the concept of the creator of the Universe, or the gods of holy writings, &c.lvlastermind said:If there is a god I'm positive that everyone out there would agree that his power is infinite.
It's funny that no one ever answers this question. The potential omnipotence of an intelligent creator is always defended by saying he would never do it. That wasn't the question. It was not asked whether or not he would do it. It was asked whether or not he could do it. Since you are apparently personally acquainted with this being, perhaps you can ask him for us.Yggdrasil said:Why would God waste his time making a rock so heavy that he can't lift it? Anyway, I can tell you a lot about God, just ask sometime.
It's just one of those questions that will probably never be answered.Yggdrasil said:Why would God waste his time making a rock so heavy that he can't lift it? Anyway, I can tell you a lot about God, just ask sometime.
Religion started as a result of ignorance and lack of knowledge. It is continuing to exist today because of that tradition of ignorance, and you never stop to think about 'what if there was never god?' you only think in a really closed-loop frame where if you cant prove or disprove it - then it probably exists/or doesnt exist - this 'superposition' from stupidity is in fact an artificial attempt to make one's life less meaningless, by introducing new empty variables like god, heaven, hell, or demon to invigorate the sense of existance.omin said:This sounds like an appeal to ignorance. Am I correct?
God cannot be proven to exist. God cannot be proven to not exist. Therefore, God doesn't exist.
Your attempt to sound intelligent made you sound like a liberal arts philosopher with no scientific background, let alone mathematical one. I wont insult my own intelligence by continuing to reply to you.God doesn't exist means [negation]God. There must first be a sensed God to negate. And negation is based upon the property of displacement, since energy is neither created or destroyed.
As far as I am concerned (not in a worried sense) God exists but not in a way that we can visualise. That's a fair point about religion closing minds and it seems to me that this is exactly the reverse of what should actually happen. Acquisition of knowledge (in whichever form it might take) enhances self as much as contemplation of God. As we cannot "see" God, however, we have to rely on studying the Universe. That is endless in much the same way as God is (to my mind).Deltron said:With all this science and how things work, would make you think, "How wouldn't there be a God?" I think a lot has developed off of ignorance. One thing I hate most, is religous people who aren't open to thoughts of evolution, thoughts of space and how the universe began, and how it will end or what not. Considering I am religous, I really do think that every thing has to do with science at physics, besides math is the universal laungage right? :D
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