A link for the conspiracy theorists

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Main Question or Discussion Point

The death of the Florida Deprtment of Transpotation Director; Suicide or...........was the guy really on to something?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_C._Lemme [Broken]

 

[russ_watters]

money-laundering through Florida's toll road system, and related election tampering

Huh? How is money-laundering through the turnpike system related to election tampering?

 

[edward]

Huh? How is money-laundering through the turnpike system related to election tampering?

Hint. click the Clint Curtis link. Even more is under other links on the Clint Curtis link. The only one that I would think might be credible is the St.Petersburg Times link.

I thought this was dead in the water long ago.

 

[edward]

The death of the Florida Deprtment of Transpotation Director; Suicide or...........was the guy really on to something?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_C._Lemme [Broken]

Be careful there SIAB this may be your last post.

 

[solutions in a box]

Hint. click the Clint Curtis link. Even more is under other links on the Clint Curtis link. The only one that I would think might be credible is the St.Petersburg Times link.

I thought this was dead in the water long ago.

The bloggers have breathed new life into the Lemme investigation, and his death. Lemme was investigating leads which indicated that the Florida turnpike funds were being used as a method of laundering Bush campaign contributions. Contributors such as China and Saudi Arabia were involved.

The Curtis link is an account of his designing a program that would allow a hacker to change as many as 100,000 votes on the touch screen machines. Lemme and Curtis had discussed the possibility that the entire situation was controlled by the Bush campaign.
The Curtis allogations brought about a congressional investigation.

The links sum up the situation much better than I can, or should need to.

If people really don't want to know the truth, or are to busy/lazy to read the links there is not much I can do about that.

http://archive.sptimes.ru/archive/times/1060/opinion/o_15411.htm [Broken]

 

[russ_watters]

Meh. As conspiracy theory goes, that stuff's pretty weak.

 

[edward]

Meh. As conspiracy theory goes, that stuff's pretty weak.

So was Watergate in the early stages.

 

[Informal Logic]

The 2000 election, particularly in regard to discrepancies in Florida, is already known to be controversial without the added conspiracy. Election reform is greatly needed in general. Hopefully we can get a 'paper trail' for electronic voting, and stop the gerrymandering, and fundamentalist pandering, etc., etc. There are so many ways to tamper with elections, as well as contributions, it is ridiculous.

 

[Burnsys]

it is well known and documented about security vulnerabilities in diebold voting software.. it's databases are Access files! yes Microsoft ACCESS files. anyone can enter the database and change the results at will, also all the source codes of the software where found in an open ftp server of diebold

 

[Skyhunter]

Meh. As conspiracy theory goes, that stuff's pretty weak.

For someone who thinks that Tom DeLay is a senator, I would have to conclude that your knowledge of current political events is "pretty weak."

 

[Smurf]

For someone who thinks that Tom DeLay is a senator, I would have to conclude that your knowledge of current political events is "pretty weak."

carefull, he's a mod.

 

[2CentsWorth]

Just saw a bumper sticker: Don't blame me. My vote wasn't counted.

There are a lot of Americans who do not believe that Bush was elected on the up-and-up. His campaign tactics represent a new level of nasty. It wouldn't surprise me if there was even more sinister things going on.

 

[Pengwuino]

Just saw a bumper sticker: Don't blame me. My vote wasn't counted.

There are a lot of Americans who do not believe that Bush was elected on the up-and-up. His campaign tactics represent a new level of nasty. It wouldn't surprise me if there was even more sinister things going on.

A lot of americans believe the moonlandings were faked.

We all already know that the Democrats were heavily involved in voter fraud in the 2004 election. It is disgusting that they are allowed to get away with it however. The Kerry campaign seriously underminded the election process of the United States.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200508\NAT20050802b.html [Broken]

 

[2CentsWorth]

A lot of americans believe the moonlandings were faked.

We all already know that the Democrats were heavily involved in voter fraud in the 2004 election. It is disgusting that they are allowed to get away with it however. The Kerry campaign seriously underminded the election process of the United States.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200508\NAT20050802b.html [Broken]

Catholic News Service? Oh wait, CybercastNews...real mainstream.

 

[Pengwuino]

Catholic? What kind of news services am i getting my crap from.

Wait what are you talking about?

Well it was a 2nd hand link. I knew of the report first so i looked for a news report about ti and thats what came up. Oh well

 

[Manchot]

This is a website that, on its front page, accuses Ted Kennedy of "flip-flopping" because of a statement that he made in 1967 regarding Thurgood Marshall. I'd hardly consider it to be unbiased.

 

[solutions in a box]

Meh. As conspiracy theory goes, that stuff's pretty weak.

The Bush administartion has sent marine reserves to fight in the Iraqi desert in "amphibious" vehicles, hmm that sounds implausible too. It even sounds like it could be a weak conspriracy theory proprosed by some whacko liberal antiwar blogger.

nothing is as it seems

 

[Pengwuino]

The Bush administartion has sent marine reserves to fight in the Iraqi desert in "amphibious" vehicles, hmm that sounds implausible too. It even sounds like it could be a weak conspriracy theory proprosed by some whacko liberal antiwar blogger.

Implausible? There is water in iraq... and many amphibious vehicles in the marine arsenal are dual-use (water and land). You must have seen landings from WW2 by the marines... they even had them back then.

 

[pattylou]

There are a lot of Americans who do not believe that Bush was elected on the up-and-up.

I'd be curious to see a poll on this - how do you set one up here?

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

I'd be curious to see a poll on this - how do you set one up here?

When you set up the thread there should be an option some where on the screen. Make sure to include more than a yes or no response though, at least that's what I prefer when I see one being the fence sitter type that I am. :tongue:

 

[edward]

Implausible? There is water in iraq... and many amphibious vehicles in the marine arsenal are dual-use (water and land). You must have seen landings from WW2 by the marines... they even had them back then.

I think SIAB was referring to the deaths of 14 marines yesterday. They were all in an amphibious vehicle. The Amphibs being used by marine reserves in Iraq are old, slow and lightly armored. Most Amphibs are lightly armored because they obviously have to float. They are also slow compared to most other modes of transportation available in Iraq. The vehicles were never meant to be used extensively in the desert. They were designed as you say to be used as a landing craft that could move up onto the shore and then several miles inland.

When the amphibs are on land they are sitting ducks for anything other than small arms fire. The vehicle blown up yesterday was patrolling desert terrain...not a good idea. It is the old "we had to go to war with the army we had......................" all over again.

 

[solutions in a box]

Implausible? There is water in iraq... and many amphibious vehicles in the marine arsenal are dual-use (water and land). You must have seen landings from WW2 by the marines... they even had them back then.

OMG now I have a kid telling me what a landing craft is. I have been there and done that Pengwino. The AAV's used by by the Marine reserves are a joke in the desert. The regular Marines in Iraq have the Abrams M1 A1.

 

[solutions in a box]

When the amphibs are on land they are sitting ducks for anything other than small arms fire. The vehicle blown up yesterday was patrolling desert terrain...not a good idea. It is the old "we had to go to war with the army we had......................" all over again.

You are pretty much on the money.
The reserves got stuck with the old Vietnam era leftovers.
Modern landing craft are hydrofoils.

Your reference to Rummyworld was on the money also.

 

[Skyhunter]

carefull, he's a mod.

I believe in questioning authority.

He is probably very knowledgeable in his field, however he has demonstrated an extreme lack of knowledge when commenting on current politics. I have a problem when his opinions are based on pure seat of the pants ideology.

His off the cuff comments reveal that he has already formed an opinion before knowing the facts. or even bothering to look at the other argument at all. I believe the word for that is prejudice.

It isn't a conspiracy theory at all, in fact the Brad Blog site is going to great lengths not to over hype the story until they can get answers to troubling questions. I doubt that Russ_Watters bothered to do more than read the first link before jumping to the conclusion that it was weak.

He also defended Tom DeLays questionable tactic of adding 1.5 billion to the energy bill without even knowing who Tom DeLay is.

As a mod his comments would tend to carry more weight, I just think he should live up to the title of super-mentor and educate himself on a subject before posting a comment. It looks bad when the teacher demonstrates gross ignorance.

I am sure that an intelligent, articulate, well informed "super-mentor" could provide some evidence to support such a general statement and I challenge him to do so!

 

[Smurf]

I believe in questioning authority.

Pfft, So do I, probably more than anyone else on this board, but at least I respect it too.

He is probably very knowledgeable in his field, however he has demonstrated an extreme lack of knowledge when commenting on current politics. I have a problem when his opinions are based on pure seat of the pants ideology.

His off the cuff comments reveal that he has already formed an opinion before knowing the facts. or even bothering to look at the other argument at all. I believe the word for that is prejudice.

This has already been discussed in length in several threads not too long ago. I might even post a link for you if I find one.

He also defended Tom DeLays questionable tactic of adding 1.5 billion to the energy bill without even knowing who Tom DeLay is.

Having not read the thread you're refering to, I don't see anything wrong with that; I don't support the notwithstanding clause, who's idea was that? I don't friggin know.

As a mod his comments would tend to carry more weight, I just think he should live up to the title of super-mentor and educate himself on a subject before posting a comment. It looks bad when the teacher demonstrates gross ignorance.

I am sure that an intelligent, articulate, well informed "super-mentor" could provide some evidence to support such a general statement and I challenge him to do so!

A couple things bug be about that:
1. He's a moderator of Engineering, why does that obligate him to do anything in Politics forum that you and I arn't obligated to do?
2. He's a Mod, his job is to issue warnings, ban people, blah blah blah and generally keep the peace, not teach you. You can't expect all the mods to watch everything they say in case they, god-forbid, make a mistake(or if you do at least grill evo a bit! :tongue: )