A mass on a rolling disc, the friction falls

In summary, the motion of the mass can be described using the equations of motion in two dimensions, taking into account both the centripetal force and the frictional force.
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Homework Statement


We are familiar with the problems like this:
A rolling disc with a mass on it at the radius of r from the center of the disc. In this type of problems we know in advance that the mass turns with the disc and so has a circular motion. Then since this is a circular motion with constant angular velocity we must have an acceleration a equal to rw^2 which w is the angular velocity. Then we draw the free diagram of forces and we find that the friction provides the required force for the acceleration towards the center.
Now consider this disc is rolling and after a while the friction reduces. We know that the mass cannot stay at the same distance from the center. Is it possible to describe the motion of the mass?

Homework Equations


We know that the friction is:
Ff = μN
This is the magnitude. and we don't know the direction. We simply determine the direction knowing the motion. The friction opposes to the motion but in this case we don't know anything about the motion.
If we draw free diagram for the problem we don't know how to draw the friction, on the other hand we don't know about acceleration neither the direction nor the magnitude.

The Attempt at a Solution


First I considered the friction along with the radius and set the magnitude in formulas. But as I said above It does not seem reasonable.
Then I tried to solve the problem by dynamics of the rotation For example conservation of energy or momentum. but again no result
 
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.Now I'm stuck and I don't know how to proceed or what to do.A:The motion of the mass can be described using the equations of motion for a particle in two dimensions. The force on the mass is composed of two components, the centripetal force due to the circular motion of the mass around the disc, and the frictional force between the disc and the mass. The equation of motion in the x-direction is$$m \frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = F_{fric} \cos \theta - m r \omega^2$$where $\theta$ is the angle the line joining the center of the disc to the mass makes with the x-axis. Similarly, the equation of motion in the y-direction is$$m \frac{d^2y}{dt^2} = F_{fric} \sin \theta.$$The acceleration of the mass is given by$$a = \sqrt{\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2 + \left(\frac{dy}{dt}\right)^2}.$$These equations can be solved numerically using an appropriate numerical technique such as Euler's method.
 

Question 1: What causes the mass to fall off the rolling disc?

The friction between the disc and the surface it is rolling on causes the mass to eventually fall off due to the force of gravity.

Question 2: Can the speed of the rolling disc affect when the mass falls off?

Yes, the speed of the rolling disc can affect when the mass falls off. The higher the speed, the more friction is generated between the disc and the surface, making it more likely for the mass to fall off sooner.

Question 3: Is the mass falling off the disc a result of the disc slowing down?

No, the mass falling off the disc is not directly caused by the disc slowing down. It is caused by the friction between the disc and the surface, which is affected by the speed of the disc.

Question 4: Can the shape or weight of the mass affect when it falls off the disc?

Yes, the shape and weight of the mass can affect when it falls off the disc. A heavier or larger mass will generate more friction, making it more likely to fall off sooner.

Question 5: How can the mass on a rolling disc be used in real-life applications?

The concept of a mass on a rolling disc can be applied to various real-life situations, such as calculating the trajectory of a discus throw or predicting the movement of a ball rolling down a hill. It is also relevant in understanding the dynamics of rotational motion in objects.

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