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  1. Jul 18, 2004 #1
    Spyware, quote by me From my anti spyware site Basic definition "Spyware is software placed upon your computer, designed to track and report your movements and or activities usually without your knowledge or consent for profit by the unscrupulous"

    Spyware and the use of spyware, in this forum, anybody care to comment?
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  3. Jul 18, 2004 #2
    By that defination cookies are spyware, but cookies are completely harmless and only help the operation at PF and basicly every major site on the net.
  4. Jul 18, 2004 #3
    Errrr no not Cookies, or not your cookies, i.e. site cookies, I haven't been able to track it down entirely, i think it's Java script, its probably hidden in a rotational banner add

    In the realms of spyware cookies are about the lowest level threat you could encounter," mostly harmless "

    Every time you go to any site anyway, a small text file is added to your cookie folder, this folder and its contents can be read by other sites that you visit, or re read by a site you've already visited,
    Cookies have expire by dates, usually one year, the information they contain about you, is usually open source, and fairly non personal, and is usually mixed with thousands of other uses non personal information, but some cookies use personal identifiable information

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  5. Jul 18, 2004 #4
    I know a little about spyware
    http://devilins-fan-club.com/Internet-security.htm [Broken]
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  6. Jul 18, 2004 #5
    This looks promising (unfortunately I have to pop out, I'll investigate upon my return )

    <script language="JavaScript">
    <!-- /* Copyright 1997-2003 BURST! Media, LLC. All Rights Reserved. (Version 1.1J) */
    function ShowBurstAd(adcode, width, height, sizes, intrusive, bgcolor, background) {
    var bN = navigator.appName;
    var bV = parseInt(navigator.appVersion);
    var base='http://www.burstnet.com/'; [Broken]
    var Tv=''; var Itr='';
    var sz=''; var bkgd='';
    var bgc='';
    var vr='v=1.1J';
    var agt=navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase();

    if (sizes.length!=0) {sz='/sz='+sizes;} else {sz='';}
    if (bgcolor.length!=0) {bgc='/zg' + bgcolor;} else {bgc='';}
    if (background.length!=0) {bkgd='/bgi='+(escape(escape(background))).replace(/\//gi,'%252F');} else {bkgd='';}

    if (bV>=4) {
    i=0; Tv=0; while (i< ts.length)
    { Tv=Tv+ts.charCodeAt(i); i=i+1; } Tv="/"+Tv;
    } else {Tv=escape(window.location.pathname);
    if( Tv.charAt(0)!='/' ) Tv="/"+Tv;
    else if (Tv.charAt(1)=="/")
    if( Tv.charAt(Tv.length-1) == "/")
    Tv = Tv + "_";

    var fCode='<ifr'+'ame id="BURST" src="'+base+
    Tv+'/RETURN-CODE" width="'+width+'" height="'+
    height+'"'+'marginwidth="0" marginheight="0"'+
    'hspace="0" vspace="0" frameborder="0" '+
    var gCode = '<'+'a href="'+base+'ads/'+adcode+'-map.cgi/'+
    vr+sz+Tv+'" target=_top><im'+'g src="'+base+
    '" border="0" alt="Click Here"></a>';
    var fCodeEnd = '</ifr'+'ame>';

    if ((adcode.charAt(0)=="a")&&(intrusive=="1")) {
    Itr='<di'+'v><scr'+'ipt src="'+base+'cgi-bin/ads/'+adcode+

    if (agt.indexOf("mac")==-1) {
    } else {
    <!-- END BURST CODE -->

    <script language="JavaScript">
    ShowBurstAd('ad10623a','468','60','468x60A','2', '', '');
    // --></script>

    <noscript><a href="http://www.burstnet.com/ads/ad10623a-map.cgi/ns/v=1.1J/sz=468x60A/" target="_top">
    <img src="http://www.burstnet.com/cgi-bin/ads/ad10623a.cgi/ns/v=1.1J/sz=468x60A/" border="0" alt="Click Here"></a>
    <!-- END BURST CODE -->
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  7. Jul 18, 2004 #6


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    Cookies are nothing more then text files that store session information pertaining to the site your on. Only the site that issued the cookie can read the cookie it set. If you've done any type of server side web programming you would know that even if cookies were eliminated websites could still track where you've have gone on their site by saving the server session variables and turning off garbage collecting.
  8. Jul 18, 2004 #7
    That is the banner ad code, burstmedia is a very reputable company and I'd be extremely surprised if they used unfavorable tactics.
  9. Jul 18, 2004 #8
    I,m back :eek:

    got it pesky little thing,

    http://www.safer-networking.org/en/threats/61.html [Broken]

    It is a cookie,

    Apparently, its no longer considered spyware, my apologies, I tend to get a little over jealous about spyware, my fault, a thousand apologies :biggrin:

    Curiosity will lead me to its source, for my own satisfaction
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  10. Jul 18, 2004 #9
    Nothing more than text files? Obviously I know virtually nothing And I stand small, in your shadow of Superior knowledge, so please enlightened me, what type of cookies are you referring to, cgi? Java script cookies, or any of the other multitude? :biggrin: I bet you could name them all by heart :rofl:
  11. Jul 18, 2004 #10


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    Cookies are also turned on by consent, so they don't really fit that definition.
  12. Jul 18, 2004 #11
    So many experts, isn't it wonderful to see so many enlightened people :wink:
  13. Jul 18, 2004 #12


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    A cookie is a cookie is a cookie. Sure you can set a cookie in javascript and a multitude of other languages, but that still doesn't diminish the fact that a cookie is just a plain text file stored on your computer.
  14. Jul 18, 2004 #13
    The story so far,

    bust media is the culprit, although its privacy policy, is fairly extensive, its got a get out line about 1+1 pixel

    Http://www.burstmedia.com/release/privacy.asp[/URL] [Broken]

    And this is 1+1 pixel Which doesn't appear to have a privacy policy?


    I'll investigate further,

    And this forums administration, is quietly trying to move this post out of existence

    Naughty devilin, I'll probably get banned for this,
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  15. Jul 18, 2004 #14
    dduardo / loseyourname , I bow before your Superior knowledge, :)

    Further investigation shall have to wait till tomorrow, I've an appointment else where, That's if this post is still alive by then?

    Have fun all :-)
  16. Jul 19, 2004 #15
    I've tracked down the cookies involved, here's a quick view of them

    Both have legitimate privacy policies,

    Although I'm concerned about the lack of a privacy policy,from http://www.experts-exchange.com/privacyPolicy.jsp and its relationship to bust media , obviously burst media should be contacted about this, immediately

    dduardo / loseyourname
    thank you for your input so far, cookies, and privacy policies surrounding cookies, are considered important, by the International Committee, and local and national laws surrounding, the collection and storage of personal identifiable information, this is taken quite seriously,

    http://www.sos.state.ga.us/Archives/rms/ora.htm [Broken]
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