A question about water and wood.

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of buoyancy and the differences between air and water in terms of density and compressibility. The original question is whether a ship would reach a depth where the water is viscous enough to stop its fall, and the answer is that this is not possible in our world due to the limited compressibility of water. However, the discussion also acknowledges that the conversation is taking place in the fictional world of Discworld, where the rules may be different.
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Gara
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Okay so this morning I picked up a very brand new copy of the Discworld book, "Going Postal".

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ak_gara/Lookie.jpg

Here is a little snippit from the first page.

[snip]It runs: the sea is, after all, in many respects only a wetter form of air. And it is known that air is denser the lower you go and lighter the higher you fly. As a storm-tossed ship founders and sinks, therefore, it must reach a depth where the water below is just viscous enough to stop it's fall.[/snip]

My question is, is this even possible, if yes, why, if no, why?

I'm guessing it's just being used for the story and is not true.
 
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There are a couple of problems with that:

The description of water as wetter form of air is a bit bizarre in this context.

The passage indicates viscous rather than dense. Viscosity is something different than density, it has to do with the amount of friction the boat has with the water, and doesn't appreciably increase with water pressure.

Moreover, the compressibility of water is limited. Just because the density of water increases as pressure increases, does not mean that the density of water ever reaches 2.
 
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Well that's that asnwered :) thanks.

Question acually seems rather silly now that I think about it.

Anyway to lock this topic?
 
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No need to lock the topic, its an interesting one and a perfectly reasonable question. I just took up scuba diving and buoyancy is a bit counterintuitive: your buoyancy decreases the lower you go due to your body and buoyancy compensator (an inflatable life vest, essentially) being compressed. So you actually sink faster the lower you go.
 
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Gara said:
I'm guessing it's just being used for the story and is not true.

Yes - water is not very compressible, unlike air, so water doesn't get appreciably denser as you go deeper. Air, on the other hand, is compressible, so air does get denser as one changes altitude.

Of course that's how it works in our world (reality), Discworld is a bit different, being supported on the backs of four elephants on a giant turtle and all :-)

Going back to the real world, viscosity doesn't have much to do with the issue - viscosity would affect how fast one sunk (think of it like friction), but would not change the point at which one stopped sinking. One would only stop sinking at neutral buoyancy, which would be a function of the density of the water and not its viscosity.
 

1. What is the relationship between water and wood?

The relationship between water and wood is that wood is a natural material that is made up of cells and fibers that are bound together by lignin. When wood absorbs water, it expands and when it loses water, it shrinks. This property is known as hygroscopicity.

2. How does water affect the strength of wood?

Water can affect the strength of wood in two ways. Firstly, when wood is saturated with water, its strength decreases as the water fills the spaces between the wood fibers, causing them to separate. Secondly, when wood dries out, it can become brittle and prone to cracking, which also reduces its strength.

3. Can wood absorb an unlimited amount of water?

No, wood has a maximum moisture content that it can absorb, known as the fiber saturation point. Beyond this point, the wood cannot absorb any more water and it will start to swell and lose its strength.

4. How does the type of wood affect its ability to absorb water?

The type of wood can greatly affect its ability to absorb water. For example, softwoods tend to have larger and more open cell structures which means they can absorb more water compared to hardwoods with smaller and more compact cell structures.

5. What happens to wood when it is continuously exposed to water?

When wood is continuously exposed to water, it can lead to rotting or decay. This is because the water provides an ideal environment for fungi and bacteria to grow, which can break down the wood fibers and weaken its structure.

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