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A A very unclear paper?

  1. May 24, 2016 #1


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    Trying to move a discussion over a paper I had here too...
    I'm referring to this paper :
    and in particular Table 2, the mass of the 2nd heavy neutralino [itex]m_{\tilde{\chi}_2}[/itex] is negative: [itex]m_{\tilde{\chi}_2}=-135.3 \text{ GeV}[/itex] .
    Can it be a typo? (it has to be).

    Also something more... concerning the light scalar Higgs [itex]m_{H_1}=93.8 \text{GeV}[/itex]... I was told that LEP extensively studied that mass range [without any evidence of a new particle]. Though, in the paper it's stated that they used for their fittings results from LEP as well how could they create such a Benchmark Model? In particular how would such a field still exist there while avoiding the previous searches (how exotic properties would it need to have)?

    Finally, going into the "experiment" part of the paper, they give the plots of the centrality fraction [itex]f_{cent} = \frac{E^{\Delta R<0.1}}{E^{\Delta R<0.2}}[/itex] and the ratio of the 2- over 1- subjetiness, [itex]\tau_{12}[/itex].
    My question mainly comes from their comment that:
    To be honest, from Figure 3 I see the complete opposite: I can by eye (not even using BDT) cut most of the "QCD" components, something that I can generally do for all the plots for the tau-leptons.

    Also I would be interested to hearing from someone what is the boosted ditau tagging (such as the one shown in Fig7 left pannel- it's not really mentioned within the paper), and if anyone has a clue about how the systematics over Background of 3% and 1% (not even conservative) were taken at the right pannel.
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  3. May 24, 2016 #2
    I don't think it is a typo. The physical mass is of course positive, but the neutralino mass matrix can have negative eigenvalues.

    Well, they consider an extension to the MSSM with an addition of a Standard Model singlet. The A1 and H1 in the table are the pseudoscalar and scalar which are almost pure singlet, and therefore interact very little with known SM particles. So the LEP limit doesn't necessarily apply.

    I think they mean that standard tau tagging techniques (like [itex]f_{cent}[/itex]) seperate better between single taus and qcd jets, than ditau jets and qcd jets. (As seen in figure 3)

    ditau tagging is trying to take advantage of the two prong structure inside the jet ( by using [itex]\tau_{12}[/itex] for example, which measures how much better a jet substructure is described by two prongs rather than one) to distinguish between jets with two collimated taus than standard qcd jets.
    The right panel in figure 7 is to show the effect the systematics have on the sensitivity. But I agree with you its seems to be non-conservative and low estimate.
  4. May 25, 2016 #3


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    Isn't the Mass matrix symmetric?

    It's written in the paper that the S and PS are almost purely-scalar interacting with the SM particles only via its mixing with [itex]H_u,H_d[/itex] fields (... however I don't understand how exactly this works. Would they mean [itex]h_u,h_d[/itex] (the doublet scalars)? Because by capital letters they denote the higgs superfields.

    Well if that's what they meant I think it's OK. But in general it seems their BDT is able to get a better bkg rejection of the taus than for the multijets.
    I believe the answer is though in the a plot like Fig2-E=200- [itex]\tau_{21}[/itex]. it looks like that a huge fraction of taus are in the 1st bin (they even exceed their logarithmic scale plot). Probably this affects a lot the result?

    Is that how generally a systematic uncertainty would alter the sensitivity? It looks like a pretty general relation then.

    Thanks for this clarrification. I was planning to find a clear way to "describe" and understand that variable...
  5. May 25, 2016 #4
    A symmetric mass (or hermitian in the complex case) can have negative eigenvalues just not complex values.

    Because they are scalars they will mix with the higgs doublet scalars. There fermionic partners would mix with the fermionic partners of the higgs doublet scalars (higgsinos)

    It is in general not surprising that in some cases the ditau jets are more easily separated from single tau jets than from qcd jets. qcd jets are much varied in their appearance and properties. While single tau jets have specific properties, and as long as the ditau structure can be probed, it should be well separated from the single tau case.

    You mean figure 3 E=200 [itex]\tau_{21}[/itex]?
    I don't know how much this affects the result, but the I don't understand the plot. Single tau jets should have a higher [itex]\tau_{21}[/itex] like qcd jets as they have a one prong structure.

    Increasing systematic uncertainty will always reduce the sensitivity, obviously. In their plot the change in sensitivity is just encoded in the formula they use for the sensitivity.
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