# A wave with no frequency

1. Feb 15, 2006

### pinestone

I'm not quite sure if this thread belongs here, but what would you call one wave that has no frequency. Zero Hz? A mobius ?

2. Feb 15, 2006

### Pengwuino

It would not be much of a wave without a frequency. I suppose maybe the cloest thing that at least i can think of is a standing wave. It has a frequency but the frequency and motion of the wave are such that the wave does appear to move.

3. Feb 15, 2006

### Claude Bile

Even standing waves have well defined frequency components. All waves possess a frequency spectrum, the 0 Hz point is included in such a spectrum (even negative frequencies).

There really is no ambiguity here. All waves have a spectrum.

Claude.

4. Feb 15, 2006

### Tide

How about calling it a "static field?"

5. Feb 15, 2006

### pinestone

Yes, I see- a wave that does not have an iteration (due to reflection) appears to be motionless within a frame of time.

6. Feb 15, 2006

### pinestone

Is there a specific static field that can be described as having a moebius form?

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7. Feb 15, 2006

### chroot

Staff Emeritus
A wave with zero frequency is a flat line. Just look at any wave equation.

- Warren

8. Feb 15, 2006

### vanesch

Staff Emeritus
I don't see what it even would *mean* for a field to have a moebius form, after all, it is a manifold and not a field, no ?

9. Feb 15, 2006

### Staff: Mentor

Before we can answer the question, we need to see the equation for this "wave" amplitude vs. time. Can you post what you mean?

10. Feb 16, 2006

### pinestone

I'm not using an equation. It is a visible image.

11. Feb 16, 2006

### Staff: Mentor

Well, can you write an equation for it so we can "see" it too? Or else attach a JPG picture of it?

12. Feb 16, 2006

### pinestone

I can't tell you much without making my patent lawyer upset. I will have plenty of images and a great description of my invention on my website within a couple of weeks.

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13. Feb 16, 2006

### chroot

Staff Emeritus
You're not going to get meaningful answers with a meaningless question and a meaningless picture, pinestone.

- Warren

14. Feb 16, 2006

### pinestone

I guess we will all have to wait...

15. Feb 16, 2006

### chroot

Staff Emeritus
If your patent lawyer knew what he was doing, he could file a provisional patent application for you in a matter of hours. This would establish a first filing date and immeditely begin providing legal protection. Then you could share your project's details without fear of legal problems.

Otherwise, I'm afraid your questions and picture are entirely non-sensical.

- Warren

16. Feb 16, 2006

### pinestone

Some things you just can't rush into

17. Feb 16, 2006

### chroot

Staff Emeritus
I take it you don't know how to the patent process works, then. Patents are all about rushing.

- Warren

18. Feb 16, 2006

### pinestone

I do know how the process works, that is why we are doing it right the first time. My last patent cost me a small fortune because the patent office wasn't satisfied the first couple of times around. It must be nice using someone elses lab and resources. Kinda like living at home with mom

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19. Feb 16, 2006

### chroot

Staff Emeritus
And why wasn't the patent office satisfied with your previous applications?

- Warren

20. Feb 16, 2006

### pinestone

Because I tried to rush it through and there were some questionable items. (\$2000.00 extra, each time).