How Does the Equation hbar=e^2/e0c Relate to Fundamental Physical Constants?

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In summary, the conversation discusses various physical constants and their relationships, including the Planck constant, speed of light, Newtonian constant, Boltzmann constant, elementary charge, electric constant, and more. The conversation also includes derivations and conclusions for different measurements and values related to these constants. Overall, the conversation delves into the complex and interconnected nature of these fundamental constants in physics.
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Abstract:
hbar=e^2/e0c
hbar=[1.6021765(31) x 10^-19 A-s]^2/[8.854187817... x 10^-12 A^2-s^4/kg-m^3-sr][2.99792458 x 10^8 m/s]
hbar=[2.5669696(36) x 10^-38 A^2-s^2]/[2.6544187(29) x 10^-3 A^2-s^3/kg-m^2-sr]
hbar=[9.6705527(59) x 10^-36 kg-m^2-sr/s]

Introduction:
Planck constant: h = 6.6260693(11) x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s
speed of light in vacuum: c = 2.99792458 x 10^8 m/s
Newtonian constant: G = 6.6723635(22) x 10^-11 m^3/kg-s^2
Boltzmann constant: k = 1.3806504(11) x 10^-23 kg-m^2/s^2-K
elementary charge: e = 1.6021765(31) x 10^-19 A-s
electric constant: e0 = 8.854187817... x 10^-12 A^2-s^4/kg-m^3-sr
molar mass: M = 3.2858629(47) x 10^19 kg/kmol
dielectric constant: ke = 1.4594705(10) x 10^-2 sr
fine-structure constant: a = 7.2973525(68) x 10^-3 rad

Derivation:
1) temperature: [(hc^5/G)^1/2]/k = 3.5518626(92) x 10^32 K
2) electric current: e/[(hG/c^5)^1/2] = 1.1857531(48) x 10^24 A
3) dielectric constant: e^2/(e0hc) = 1.4594705(14) x 10^-2 sr
4) fine-structure constant: e^2/(2e0hc) = 7.2973525(68) x 10^-3 rad
5) mass: (hc/G)^1/2 = 5.4563031(18) x 10^-8 kg
6) amount of substance: [(hc/G)^1/2]/M = 1.6605388(62) x 10^-27 kmol
7) length: (hG/c^3)^1/2 = 4.0507625(15) x 10^-35 m
8) luminous intensity: [(hG/c^5)^1/2]/ke = 9.2580762(94) x 10^-42 cd
9) time: (hG/c^5)^1/2 = 1.3511889(33) x 10^-43 s

Conclusion:
001) radiance = 1.5154964(57) x 10^123 kg/s^3-sr
002) irradiance = 2.2118223(93) x 10^121 kg/s^3
003) radiant density = 7.3778453(51) x 10^112 kg/m-s^2
004) density = 1.5044912(03) x 10^103 /m^3
005) mass density = 8.2089600(41) x 10^95 kg/m^3
006) i. luminous efficacy = 2.6860106(85) x 10^95 kg-m^2/cd-sr-s^3
007) electric current density = 7.2263787(71) x 10^92 A/m^2
008) thermal transfer = 6.2272181(80) x 10^88 kg/s^3-K
009) electric charge density = 2.4104604(96) x 10^84 A-s/m^3
010) angular acceleration = 3.9969910(02) x 10^83 rad/s^2
011) surface tension = 2.9885899(39) x 10^78 kg/s^2
012) molar concentration = 2.4982661(10) x 10^76 kmol/m^3
013) dynamic viscosity = 9.9688629(88) x 10^69 kg/m-s
014) inverse area = 6.0943365(69) x 10^68 /m^2
015) electric field strength = 7.5560138(75) x 10^62 kg-m/A-s^3
016) surface density = 3.3252547(62) x 10^61 kg/m^2
017) absorbed dose rate = 6.6515877(76) x 10^59 m^2/s^3
018) magnetic field strength = 2.9272344(25) x 10^58 A/m
019) thermal conductivity = 2.5224981(98) x 10^54 kg-m/s^3-K
020) magnetic flux density = 2.5204149(31) x 10^54 kg/A-s^2
021) radiant intensity = 2.4867291(78) x 10^54 kg-m^2/s^3-sr
022) power = 3.6293079(12) x 10^52 kg-m^2/s^3
023) field acceleration = 2.2187308(58) x 10^51 m/s^2
024) electric flux density = 9.7642030(22) x 10^49 A-s/m^2
025) force = 1.2106068(10) x 10^44 kg-m/s^2
026) frequency = 7.4008895(10) x 10^42 /s
027) surface concentration = 1.0119882(71) x 10^42 kmol/m^2
028) inverse luminous intensity = 1.0801379(99) x 10^41 /cd
029) angular velocity = 5.4006900(07) x 10^40 rad/s
030) molar energy = 2.9531863(41) x 10^36 kg-m^2/s^2-kmol
031) mass flow rate = 4.0381496(51) x 10^35 kg/s
032) wave number = 2.4686710(13) x 10^34 /m
033) temperature = 3.5518626(92) x 10^32 K
034) electric conductivity = 9.5637447(08) x 10^29 A^2-s^3/kg-m^3
035) electric potential = 3.0607617(77) x 10^28 kg-m^2/A-s^3
036) luminance = 5.6421832(93) x 10^27 cd/m^2
037) mass field = 1.3469817(34) x 10^27 kg/m
038) Avogadro constant = 6.0221415(04) x 10^26 /kmol
039) luminous flux density = 8.2346001(27) x 10^25 cd-sr/m^2
040) electric current = 1.1857531(48) x 10^24 A
041) thermal conductance = 1.0218041(14) x 10^20 kg-m^2/s^3-K
042) magnetic potential = 1.0209602(33) x 10^20 kg-m/A-s^2
043) molar mass = 3.2858629(47) x 10^19 kg/kmol
044) displacement = 4.4930474(34) x 10^18 kg-s/m^2
045) luminous density = 2.7467669(40) x 10^17 cd-sr-s/m^3
046) absorbed dose = 8.987551787… x 10^16 m^2/s^2
047) electric displacement = 3.9552467(59) x 10^15 A-s/m
048) Josephson quantum = 4.8359787(85) x 10^14 A-s^2-sr/kg-m^2-rad
049) Josephson constant = 2.4179893(93) x 10^14 A-s^2/kg-m^2
050) Coulomb constant = 7.7384850(15) x 10^12 kg-m^3/A^2-s^4
051) energy = 4.9038806(85) x 10^9 kg-m^2/s^2
052) speed of light in vacuum = 2.99792458 x 10^8 m/s
053) Faraday constant = 9.6485337(83) x 10^7 A-s/kmol
054) inverse mass = 1.8327427(53) x 10^7 /kg
055) von Klitzing constant = 2.5812807(51) x 10^4 kg-m^2/A^2-s^3
056) i. conductance q. = 1.2906403(76) x 10^4 kg-m^2-rad/A^2-s^3-sr
057) molar gas constant = 8.3144721(42) x 10^3 kg-m^2/s^2-kmol-K
058) impedance of vacuum = 3.767303134… x 10^2 kg-m^2-sr/A^2-s^3
059) inverse fine-structure constant = 1.3703599(91) x 10^2 /rad
060) relative permeability = 6.8517999(54) x 10^1 /sr
061) momentum = 1.6357585(24) x 10^1 kg-m/s
062) spin two = 2.0000000 x 10^0 sr/rad
063) spin one = 1.0000000 x 10^0 rad/rad, sr/sr
064) spin one-half = 5.0000000 x 10^-1 rad/sr
065) dielectric constant = 1.4594705(14) x 10^-2 sr
066) second radiation = 1.4387752(25) x 10^-2 m-K
067) fine-structure constant = 7.2973525(68) x 10^-3 rad
068) magnetic permeability = 8.6102257(82) x 10^-5 kg-m/A^2-s^2
069) conductance q. = 7.7480917(13) x 10^-5 A^2-s^3-sr/kg-m^2-rad
070) electric conductance = 3.8740458(57) x 10^-5 A^2-s^3/kg-m^2
071) magnetic constant = 1.256637061... x 10^-6 kg-m-sr/A^2-s^2
072) molar Planck constant = 3.9903127(01) x 10^-7 kg-m^2/s-kmol
073) mass = 5.4563031(18) x 10^-8 kg
074) radiant distribution = 3.335640952... x 10^-9 s/m
075) Stefan-Boltzmann constant = 1.3897144(61) x 10^-9 kg/s^3-K^4
076) density of states = 2.0392013(27) x 10^-10 s^2/kg-m^2
077) Newtonian constant = 6.6723635(22) x 10^-11 m^3/kg-s^2
078) magnetic pole strength = 4.8032044(04) x 10^-11 A-m
079) electric constant = 8.854187817... x 10^-12 A^2-s^4/kg-m^3-sr
080) magnetic exposure = 2.9363774(27) x 10^-12 A-s/kg
081) electric permittivity = 1.2922426(01) x 10^-13 A^2-s^4/kg-m^3
082) magnetic flux = 4.1356674(39) x 10^-15 kg-m^2/A-s^2
083) magnetic flux q. = 2.0678337(20) x 10^-15 kg-m^2-rad/A-s^2-sr
084) specific heat = 2.5303770(36) x 10^-16 m^2/s^2-K
085) first radiation = 1.1910428(22) x 10^-16 kg-m^4-sr/s^3-rad
086) radiation = 5.9552141(09) x 10^-17 kg-m^4/s^3
087) elementary charge = 1.6021765(31) x 10^-19 A-s
088) molality = 3.0433405(66) x 10^-20 kmol/kg
089) thermal resistance = 9.7866116(02) x 10^-21 s^3-K/kg-m^2
090) Boltzmann constant = 1.3806504(11) x 10^-23 kg-m^2/s^2-K
091) inverse electric current = 8.4334585(30) x 10^-25 /A
092) kinematic viscosity = 1.2143880(51) x 10^-26 m^2/s
093) amount of substance = 1.6605388(62) x 10^-27 kmol
094) electric resistivity = 1.0456155(31) x 10^-30 kg-m^3/A^2-s^3
095) relative expansion = 2.8154241(50) x 10^-33 /K
096) Planck constant = 6.6260693(11) x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s
097) length = 4.0507625(15) x 10^-35 m
098) reduced Planck constant = 9.6705527(59) x 10^-36 kg-m^2-sr/s
099) absorption-emission = 2.4763817(25) x 10^-36 s/kg
100) inductance = 3.4877979(84) x 10^-39 kg-m^2/A^2-s^2
101) luminous intensity = 9.2580762(94) x 10^-42 cd
102) moment = 2.2102188(14) x 10^-42 kg-m
103) luminous flux = 1.3511889(33) x 10^-43 cd-sr
104) time = 1.3511889(33) x 10^-43 s
105) magnetic moment = 1.9456640(35) x 10^-45 A-m^2
106) capacitance = 5.234567901... x 10^-48 A^2-s^4/kg-m^2
107) electric moment = 6.4900366(34) x 10^-54 A-s-m
108) area = 1.6408676(95) x 10^-69 m^2
109) fluidity = 1.0031234(27) x 10^-70 m-s/kg
110) inertial moment = 8.9530715(22) x 10^-77 kg-m^2
111) molar volume = 4.0027761(50) x 10^-77 m^3/kmol
112) electric charge volume = 4.1485848(93) x 10^-85 m^3/A-s
113) luminous energy = 1.8257115(33) x 10^-86 cd-sr-s
114) electric current volume = 1.3838189(66) x 10^-93 m^2/A
115) luminous efficacy = 3.7229933(79) x 10^-96 cd-sr-s^3/kg-m^2
116) mass volume = 1.2181811(03) x 10^-96 m^3/kg
117) volume = 6.6467653(52) x 10^-104 m^3
118) radiant volume = 1.3554092(73) x 10^-113 m-s^2/kg
119) inverse irradiance = 4.5211586(75) x 10^-122 s^3/kg
120) inverse radiance = 6.5984977(75) x 10^-124 s^3-sr/kg

Bibliography:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Constants/
 
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hbar=e^2/e0c

Err... no it doesn't.
 
  • #3
Rubbish. Off by two orders of magnitude!

edit:
[tex]\frac{e^2}{\epsilon_0 c}=9.668\times 10^{-36} \frac{C^2}{(F/m)(m/s)}=C\cdot V\cdot s=J\cdot s[/tex]

[tex]\hbar=1.055*10^{-34} J\cdot s[/tex]
 
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Planck constant, h, is a measured quantity, but hbar is not.

According to NIST measured quantity h
Planck constant: h = 6.6260693 x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s
http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?h|search_for=universal_in!

According to NIST theoretical quantity h/(2 pi)
Planck constant/(2 pi): hbar = 1.05457168 x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s
http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?hbar|search_for=universal_in!

Accurate Measurement of the Planck Constant
Edwin R. Williams, Richard L. Steiner, David B. Newell, and Paul T. Olsen
Physical Review Letters 81 (22) 2404-2407 (1998)

Planck constant, h, is a measured quantity, but hbar is not.

NIST derivation quantity e^2/e0c
e = 1.60217653 x 10^-19 A-s
http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?e|search_for=elecmag_in!
e0 = 8.854187817... x 10^-12 A^2-s^4/kg-m^3
http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?hbar|search_for=universal_in!
c = 299792458 m/s
http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?c|search_for=universal_in!

Solve: e^2/e0c = ?
[(1.60217653 x 10^-19 A-s)^2]/(8.854187817... x 10^-12 A^2-s^4/kg-m^3)(299792458 m/s) = ?
(2.566969633 x 10^-38 A^2-s^2)/(2.654418729... x 10^-3 A^2-s^3/kg-m^2) = ?
9.670552746 x 10^-36 kg-m^2/s

NIST theoretical quantity h/(2 pi)
h = 6.6260693 x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s
http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?h|search_for=universal_in!
(2 pi) = 6.283185307
http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Category?view=html&Universal.x=65&Universal.y=8

Solve: h/(2 pi)
(6.6260693 x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s)/(6.283185307)
1.05457168 x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s

Compare: hbar derivation / hbar theoretical
9.670552746 x 10^-36 kg-m^2/s (hbar derivation)
1.05457168 x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s (hbar theoretical)

Garry Denke
 
  • #5
Don't quote unnecessary information.

Look at your numbers:
Compare: hbar derivation / hbar theoretical
9.670552746 x 10^-36 kg-m^2/s (hbar derivation)
1.05457168 x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s (hbar theoretical)
edit: emphasis added

[tex]\hbar[/tex] is about [tex]10^{-34}J\cdot s[/tex]; [tex]\frac{e^2}{\epsilon_0 c}[/tex] is about [tex]10^{-36}J\cdot s[/tex]. The second is almost a hundred times bigger than the first; they are not equal.
 
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rachmaninoff said:
Look at your numbers:
edit: emphasis added

[tex]\hbar[/tex] is about [tex]10^{-34}J\cdot s[/tex]; [tex]\frac{e^2}{\epsilon_0 c}[/tex] is about [tex]10^{-36}J\cdot s[/tex]. The second is almost a hundred times bigger than the first; they are not equal.
That is the point rachmaninoff.

e^2/e0c = hbar is a derivation,
h/(2 pi) = hbar is only a theory.

GarryDenke
 
  • #7
This looks TD-worthy.

e^2/e0c = hbar is a derivation,

How did you think you derived it? (I'm just curious, it's obviously not correct).

h/(2 pi) = hbar is only a theory.
No, it's a definition.
 

1. What does "hbar" stand for in the equation "Abstract hbar=e^2/e0c"?

"hbar" stands for the reduced Planck constant, which is equal to the Planck constant divided by 2π.

2. What is the significance of the equation "Abstract hbar=e^2/e0c" in physics?

This equation is known as the fine-structure constant and is a fundamental constant in quantum electrodynamics. It describes the strength of the electromagnetic force between elementary particles.

3. How is "e" defined in the equation "Abstract hbar=e^2/e0c"?

"e" represents the elementary charge, which is the fundamental unit of electric charge. It is equal to approximately 1.602 × 10^-19 coulombs.

4. What is the value of "c" in the equation "Abstract hbar=e^2/e0c"?

"c" represents the speed of light in a vacuum, which is approximately 299,792,458 meters per second.

5. How does the equation "Abstract hbar=e^2/e0c" relate to the uncertainty principle?

The uncertainty principle states that there is a limit to how precisely certain pairs of physical properties can be known at the same time. The fine-structure constant, represented by this equation, is related to the uncertainty principle through the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, which involves the Planck constant.

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