Acceleration due to gravity

• slpnsldr
In summary: But we know that when t = 0, y = y0,so we know that the first constant is y0.In summary, we use the equation s = vit + 1/2 at^2 to solve for the initial velocity of a ball thrown vertically upward and caught at the same level after 4.2 seconds. Since the final change in y position is 0, we can substitute this value for s and solve for vi. This is possible because the ball's displacement is equal to its initial velocity multiplied by the time it is in the air, plus half of the acceleration due to gravity multiplied by the square of the time. By rearranging the equation, we can solve for vi and find that it is

Homework Statement

A pitcher throws a ball vertically upward and catches it at the same lever 4.2 seconds later.

A) What velocity did the pitcher throw the ball?
B) What distance did the ball travel?

Homework Equations

Vfy^2=Viy^2+2ay$$\Delta$$y
$$\Delta$$y=Viy+0.5ay($$\Delta$$t)^2

The Attempt at a Solution

we know
$$\Delta$$t=4.2s
ay=+9.8m/s/s,[Up] -9.8m/s/s[Down]
Viy=?
Vfy=?
$$\Delta$$y=?

Several attempts have failed lol. One was to take the balls maximum height as initial velocity=0 and try to figure out distance (y) and final velocity. epic fail.

I think my main problem is trying to understand how to re arrange these equations, depending on the quantity i am missing. The book suggests the use also of the quadratic equation, and epends all of 4 sentances explaining it. could it be used here?

One other question, in an attempt to better understand acceleration due to gravity.
Since he is throwing the ball up, at whatever velocity he throws it, the distance up will be the same as the distance down, providing he catches it on the same level (obviously) and since the the force slowing it down on the way up, gravity, at a rate of 9.8m/s/s is also the force and rate speeding it up on the way down the final velocity should be the same as initial velocity, right? forgive me if this is an extremely stupid obvious question haha, all this math is makeing my head spin

Hi slpnsldr!

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slpnsldr said:

Homework Equations

Vfy^2=Viy^2+2ay$$\Delta$$y
$$\Delta$$y=Viy+0.5ay($$\Delta$$t)^2

Use the second equation.

What do you get?

delta y represents change in y position right? If he throws it straight up and catches it 4.2 seconds later in the same spot, what is the change in y position? Once you have that cleared up in your head it shouldn't be a problem.

tiny tim, if i use the second equation, i need to know the initial velocity. unless, i split the balls motion in half, and calculate for [down], using 0 for Vi. Which means i would have to also cut delta time in half

delta y= 0(4.2)+0.5(-9.8)(2.1)
= -10.29m [down]

slpnsldr said:
tiny tim, if i use the second equation, i need to know the initial velocity.

Nooo

s = vit + 1/2 at2

you know s and a and t, and the question is asking for vi anyway.

hmm i don't quite understand what you mean tiny tim... is s=∆y? i don't know the distance... and don't i need to know initial velocity to use the equation your suggesting.. sigh lol I am not very good at this

slpnsldr said:
hmm i don't quite understand what you mean tiny tim... is s=∆y? i don't know the distance

Yes, you do …
slpnsldr said:
A pitcher throws a ball vertically upward and catches it at the same lever 4.2 seconds later.

(i assume you mean "level" ?)

… the distance is zero.

(and yes, s = ∆y in this case)

hmm i don't quite understand what you mean tiny tim... is s=∆y? i don't know the distance... and don't i need to know initial velocity to use the equation your suggesting.. sigh lol I am not very good at this

The ball leaves the pitcher's hand, and returns to the hand.

The total distance (or displacement ) ∆y, is therefore zero.

So you can put s = 0 into your equation.

dacruick said:
delta y represents change in y position right? If he throws it straight up and catches it 4.2 seconds later in the same spot, what is the change in y position? Once you have that cleared up in your head it shouldn't be a problem.

You disregarded what i said good sir. read what i said again, once you understand what the change in distance is, you will understand the problem.

Sorry dac! I think i do understand now.. but.. the question asks at what velocity did he throw the ball, so i still have to figure out the balls velocity as it moves up right? first though distance should be...
s= vit + 1/2 at2
=0(4.2)+0.5(9.8)(4.2)^2
=86.436m

ok, so now... i have the total distance that the ball has traveled.. and now i need to rearrange an equation? to find the initial velocity of ∆y[up] which should be 43.218m[up] (half of s)

slpnsldr said:
s= vit + 1/2 at2
=0(4.2)+0.5(9.8)(4.2)^2

Nooo!

s is zero, not vi.

hmm, so i need to rearrange?

vi=s/t+1/2at2?

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slpnsldr said:
hmm, so i need to rearrange?

vi=s/t+1/2at2?

No!

The equation is correct … s = vit + 1/2 at2.

But s in this case is zero,

so in this case 0 = vit + 1/2 at2.

so... 0=0(4.2s)+0.5(9.8)(4.2)2
=172.872

slpnsldr said:
so... 0=0(4.2s)+0.5(9.8)(4.2)2
=172.872

No, vi is the initial speed of the ball, it is not 0.

0 = vi(4.2s) + 0.5(-9.8)(4.2)2

lol oh man Im so lost! I should take this moment to first of all thank you for your patience lol. and then pray it will last a bit longer!

So, what I am trying to find is the initial velocity. the velocity of the ball as it leaves the hand of the pitcher.

i now realize that the final change in y position is 0. but I do not understand what we are doing with this equation

0=Vi(4.2s)+0.5(-9.8)(4.2)2

lol oh man Im so lost! I should take this moment to first of all thank you for your patience lol. and then pray it will last a bit longer!

So, what I am trying to find is the initial velocity. the velocity of the ball as it leaves the hand of the pitcher.

i now realize that the final change in y position is 0. but I do not understand what we are doing with this equation

0=Vi(4.2s)+0.5(-9.8)(4.2)^2

Obviously, you divide by 4.2 to get vi = 0.5(9.8)(4.2)

Have you done calculus?​

If so, the reason is that d2y/dt2 = a.

Integrate once, and you get dy/dt = constant + at,

Integrate again, and you get y = constant + (constant)t + at2/2.

(the first constant is yi, the second constant is vi)

wow that works.. Vi=0.5a(t)

I haven't taken calculus.. I haven't taken much actually, I'm taking some DL courses now to brush it all up, thought i was doing fine trying to teach myself until this question came up.. I'm afraid i still don't completely understand. How did we jump from
0=Vi(4.2s)+0.5(-9.8)(4.2)^2 to Vi=0.5a(t) what did we divide by 4.2? how did we know to do this? and how did the Vi get to the other side of the equal sign?

but this is a formula i can use, my question is answered.. I am just trying to understand it now haha

slpnsldr said:
How did we jump from
0=Vi(4.2s)+0.5(-9.8)(4.2)^2 to Vi=0.5a(t) what did we divide by 4.2? how did we know to do this? and how did the Vi get to the other side of the equal sign?

Because we had s = ut + 1/2 at2.

We put s = 0, giving 0 = ut + 1/2 at2,

then we moved the ut across the equal sign, but multiplied by -1, to give ut = -1/2 at2,

and then we divided by t to give u = -1/2 at.

Well cool! Thanks so much :)

However! I have come across another problem in this evil evil question!

Why, doesn't this equation work to figure out the distance the ball travels?

$$\Delta$$y =Vi$$\Delta$$t + 1/2a($$\Delta$$t)2

When put in what we know i get the answer

174.636

That's because delta-y is displacement, not distance. You figured out that v=20.6 m/s. You know a=-9.8 m/s^2 and delta-t=4.2 s, so if you plug in the numbers, you get delta-y=0. That's exactly what was stated in the question.

However, part b) is not looking for delta-y; it's looking for the total distance that the ball travels. You can still use that equation, but in a slightly modified way.

(just got up :zzz: …)

In other words: find the half-way distance, and double it!

I got it! Thanks so much guys, you've helped me sooooo much

What is acceleration due to gravity?

Acceleration due to gravity, denoted by the symbol g, is the acceleration experienced by an object due to the force of gravity. It is a constant value that is approximately 9.8 meters per second squared on Earth.

How is acceleration due to gravity calculated?

The formula for calculating acceleration due to gravity is g = G * M / r^2, where G is the universal gravitational constant, M is the mass of the larger object, and r is the distance between the two objects.

Does acceleration due to gravity vary on different planets?

Yes, acceleration due to gravity varies on different planets based on their mass and size. For example, on Mars, the acceleration due to gravity is approximately 3.71 meters per second squared, while on Jupiter it is approximately 24.79 meters per second squared.

What factors affect the acceleration due to gravity?

The acceleration due to gravity is affected by two main factors: the mass of the larger object and the distance between the two objects. The greater the mass and the smaller the distance, the stronger the force of gravity and therefore the greater the acceleration.

How does acceleration due to gravity impact objects?

Acceleration due to gravity causes objects to accelerate towards the larger object with a constant rate. This means that objects will fall towards the Earth at a rate of 9.8 meters per second squared, and the speed at which they fall will increase by 9.8 meters per second for each second of free fall.