Understanding Adiabatic Compression

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of adiabatic compression, where the net heat transfer is zero. The person is confused about the injection of kinetic energy during compression and whether it qualifies as heat transfer. A link is provided to explain the difference between heat and work, and the topic of the rotation of diatomic molecules is also briefly mentioned. The summary concludes that quantum mechanical effects prevent the excitation of rotational modes at normal temperatures.
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Kurokari
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Hi, I have a little problem understanding adiabatic compression.

Let me start with the definition of adiabatic process from wikipedia, "In thermodynamics, an adiabatic process or an isocaloric process is a thermodynamic process in which the net heat transfer to or from the working fluid is zero."

My problem is, when we compress a certain gas in a closed container, we inject our kinetic energy to decrease the volume of the container, so shouldn't this means there is a net heat change, or a change in the total energy of the system?

or this kind of injection of energy does not categorize under heat transfer, I am quite confused.

I give my greatest thanks in advance! :)
 
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Kurokari said:
My problem is, when we compress a certain gas in a closed container, we inject our kinetic energy to decrease the volume of the container, so shouldn't this means there is a net heat change, or a change in the total energy of the system?
When you do work on the gas, you definitely add energy. But that's not 'heat'. Heat is the flow of energy due to temperature difference.

Read this: https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1595186&postcount=1
 
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Thank you for the link, it helped me a lot!

One more small thing, why is it that the rotation of a diatomic molecule along the atom-atom bond not counted as one of the degree of freedom?
 
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Kurokari said:
One more small thing, why is it that the rotation of a diatomic molecule along the atom-atom bond not counted as one of the degree of freedom?
That's actually a quantum mechanical effect. The kinetic energy for something undergoing cyclical motion (vibration or rotation) is characterized by mx2w2, where x is the spatial size scale and w is the frequency. But here's where a big difference between vibrations and rotations appears-- for vibrations, x is a variable, and can be as large as it needs to be to get ~kT of energy into the mode in question. But for rotations, x is fixed by the size scale of the rotating object, the "lever arm" of the appropriate rotation. So when x is extremely small, as in the case you mention, it would require huge w to get kT of energy into that mode, of order w=(kT/m)1/2x-1. However, huge w, coupled with the quantum mechanical minimum action h, means you won't excite that mode, since here homework >> kT, because (kT/m)1/2x-1>> kT/h whenever x << h/(mkT)1/2. So we only exite modes like that when T is very high, and it generally isn't that high in the applications you have in mind.
 
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Hello there,

I can understand your confusion about adiabatic compression. Let me try to explain it in simpler terms.

Adiabatic compression is a process in which a gas is compressed without any heat transfer to or from its surroundings. This means that the gas is compressed quickly enough that there is no time for heat to be transferred in or out of the system.

When you compress a gas, you are indeed injecting kinetic energy into the system, but this energy is not in the form of heat. Heat is defined as the transfer of energy due to a difference in temperature. In adiabatic compression, the temperature of the gas does not change since there is no heat transfer.

Instead, the energy you are injecting is in the form of work, which is defined as the transfer of energy due to a force acting over a distance. In this case, the force is the pressure you are applying to compress the gas, and the distance is the change in volume.

So, to summarize, adiabatic compression is a process in which a gas is compressed without any heat transfer, but work is done on the gas to decrease its volume. I hope this explanation helps clear up your confusion. Keep exploring and learning about thermodynamics!
 

1. What is adiabatic compression?

Adiabatic compression is a process in which a gas is compressed without any heat transfer to or from the surroundings. This means that there is no change in temperature during the compression.

2. What is the purpose of adiabatic compression?

Adiabatic compression is often used in industrial and scientific processes to increase the pressure of a gas. This can be useful for things like powering engines or compressing gases for storage.

3. How does adiabatic compression differ from isothermal compression?

The main difference is that adiabatic compression does not involve any heat transfer, while isothermal compression maintains a constant temperature by allowing for heat exchange with the surroundings. This results in different changes in pressure and volume for the same gas during the two processes.

4. What is the relationship between pressure and volume in adiabatic compression?

The relationship between pressure and volume in adiabatic compression is described by the adiabatic equation: PV^γ = constant, where P is pressure, V is volume, and γ is the ratio of specific heats for the gas being compressed.

5. What factors can affect the efficiency of adiabatic compression?

The efficiency of adiabatic compression can be affected by several factors, including the initial temperature and pressure of the gas, the speed of compression, and the type of gas being compressed. Other factors such as the presence of impurities or friction can also impact the efficiency of the process.

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