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Adiabatic process/ work done

  1. Mar 19, 2008 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    During an adiabatic process, the temperature of 5.50 moles of a monatomic idea gas drops from 495 C to 215 C. For this gas, find (a) the work it does, (b) the heat it exchanges with its surroundings, and (c) the change in its internal energy

    2. Relevant equations
    I know work is P(delta V)
    PV1=nRT1 and
    PV2=nRT2 so if I subtract to get the change,
    P(deltaV)=nR(delta T)
    P(deltaV)= 12797.4 Joules.
    But my text book says this isn't the answer.
    Where did I go wrong?

    I know the answer for b is zero, since that's the definition of an adiabatic process
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  3. Mar 19, 2008 #2
    Oh yeah, and the answer to part c must be the opposite sign but same magnitude of the answer to a.
  4. Mar 20, 2008 #3
    What is the work done during an ADIABATIC process... ?

    Is it really (P deltaV) ?

    Have a look...

    Last edited: Mar 20, 2008
  5. Mar 20, 2008 #4

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    Do c) first. You are given the initial and final temperatures so you can determine the change in internal energy. How is the work done related to the change in internal energy if dQ = 0?

    You are assuming pressure is constant. That is where you went wrong.

  6. Mar 20, 2008 #5
    I see now that I was wrong to assume pressure is constant, but I'm afraid I'm still a little lost with the symbols and stuff.

    What does PV^gamma mean? Is gamma an exponent? And if so, do I need to figure out what both P and V are on their own?

    And what constant do they equal? My text book says (5/3) in the chapter about adiabatic-ness.

    In the equation beside the graph, how do I find Vfinal and Vinitial with out being given a pressure?
  7. Mar 20, 2008 #6


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    You don't need to find pressure or volume to solve this problem. You do need to know that there are only two ways to add energy to a closed system: do work on it or heat it.
  8. Mar 20, 2008 #7
    And in this problem, since it's adiabatic, it does not exchange heat, so if the temperature is going to go down, it must do positive work. I understand this.

    I just don't understand how to apply this stuff about Cv and Cp. I am at a loss for what I should do mathematically and what all those symbols mean, and where they came from.
  9. Mar 20, 2008 #8
    Hmmm... I've been searching, and I found the formula
    Q= 3/2 nRdT
    Which gives me 1.5*5.5*8.31*280= 19196 Joules, which my text book says is the correct answer.

    Where did the 3/2 come from?
  10. Mar 20, 2008 #9


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    The energy of an ideal gas depends only on its temperature, by the relationship

    [tex]\Delta U=c_Vn\Delta T[/tex]

    The molar heat capacity [itex]c_V[/itex] is [itex]\frac{3}{2}R[/itex] for a monatomic gas. The 3/2 factor can be derived (from statistical mechanics), but the derivation is very complex compared to what you're studying now.
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