After Death

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Does certainty with our conception help us over our uncertainty with death?
 
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I don't have kids, but i know that if i had one, i'd care for him/her so much that it wouldnt matter if my death meant the absolute destruction of my consciousness. Caring for the child so much, i'd be content with the feeling knowing that my child would continue existing, living and feeling even though im gone.

at the same time though, i think consciousness is indeed part of the brain. But TRUE consciousness (the absolute feeling of BEING), is something bigger that cant be part of the brain. I have this intuitive feeling that there IS NOT a definate number of TRUE consciousness's in the world right now. Perhaps the "true consciousness" im referring to is just 1. Perhaps this true consciousness is the ultimate self awareness of the universe itself that inflicts its self-awareness into life. Injects itself into its own evolution-created vessel. The more i think of this, the more right it feels. It would also explain how often man has felt "one with the universe".
 
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Well destruction of consciousness is a nice phrase, but how can that happen, since we dont know if the consciousness we talk about is really matter-related (dependend on a living human body)?

But how can matter in any constellation or state simulate complex consciousness?
Consciousness is totally transcendent and superior to matter. It seems to me that Matter is just the necessary embodiment of consciousness, so that consciousness gets the necessary means of articulation and interaction. Matter makes existing consciousness visible and perceivable for humans, by social interaction for example.
 
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It has often deeply been pondered by my "I", what happens to my self, its intellect, its knowledge. Will anyone or anything be known to me, or "I" to them, when "I" am not "I" anymore? Where does the knowing of my "I", which is its knowledge, go? Will the "I" of the me be recognizable when it no longer physcially exists and returns to whence it came? :confused:
 
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Gökhan said:
Well destruction of consciousness is a nice phrase, but how can that happen, since we dont know if the consciousness we talk about is really matter-related (dependend on a living human body)?

But how can matter in any constellation or state simulate complex consciousness?
Consciousness is totally transcendent and superior to matter. It seems to me that Matter is just the necessary embodiment of consciousness, so that consciousness gets the necessary means of articulation and interaction. Matter makes existing consciousness visible and perceivable for humans, by social interaction for example.
Go take a look at Plato...he had some very interesting ideas along the lines of mind-body duality...or ust take a look at dualism, etc...that may help you out a bit. If you want I'll dig out some more philosophers/ideas :)

And whoever posted about the Scole Experiment....merak. How can you form an opinion if you didn't actually finish the article? ;). Not sure which article you got hold of...I'd recommend trying to track down the book. It has photographic evidence as well as testimonies from many scientists with varying areas of primary interest. In my opinion the experiment was conducted thoroughly and scientifically and the results should be considered valid. But then I'm a philosopher, not a scientist and even empiricism has it's flaws :)
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WolfSong said:
Go take a look at Plato...he had some very interesting ideas along the lines of mind-body duality...or ust take a look at dualism, etc...that may help you out a bit. If you want I'll dig out some more philosophers/ideas :)
thank you WolfSong, I will try to have a look at them as to maybe get another perspective on it.
But you could have delivered some of these very important ideas too, if you have allready understood them...;-)
So we could discuss them right now, without leaving ideas to the great names of philosophy, which is often quiet a comfort of argumentation...;-)
 
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i really didnt mean to say the universe is infinate on the previous page. thats really not what i meant. i was typing faster than i was thinking. someone smack me over the head. i edited the post.
 
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Well, the ideas put forth in special relativity seem to imply that there is no past and future, it's always there, events that we perceive to happen are eternally frozen in spacetime. This is the core of the prohibition of simultaneous events in all reference frames...unless the past and future are always there, it would be impossible for events simultaneous in one reference frame to not be simultaneous in another, as an event observed by one person and in the past can still yet have to pass for another person, being their future. So, if time doesn't "flow" like experience suggests (and if you've read any works by Brian Greene, yes these are ideas put forth by him) then what we call the present can only be defined by our consciousness. It's our consciousness that moves through the fabric of spacetime, passing from event to another. So it seems that our consciousness is beyond the laws of physics and isn't quite bound with our bodies in the way some people suggest. For the record, I'm a Christian and believe that heaven or hell awaits our spirits after death. For me, our consciousness is because of our soul (and I know many of you will disagree, I'm not looking to start an argument, just stating what I believe.) In any case, as long as our consciousness is confined to the boundaries of spacetime and the Universe as we know it, knowing what comes after death can only be a matter of faith (and I use the word generally, not referring to any specific belief or lack thereof.) Time, the very thing the issue is based upon, will tell.
 
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My thoughts on death are very mixed but in quick I think 3 things happen to you when you die and I might as well put it on a karma scale
Really good ---- heaven
reincarnation ---- human
----- animal
------plant
Really bad------- hell

When you reach heaven it can be permanent but it's your choice you can choose to reenter to help the world. When someone reaches enlightement like the Buddha then they will become an angel etc., a higher order of being.
 
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dave19903652 said:
My thoughts on death are very mixed but in quick I think 3 things happen to you when you die and I might as well put it on a karma scale
Really good ---- heaven
reincarnation ---- human
----- animal
------plant
Really bad------- hell

When you reach heaven it can be permanent but it's your choice you can choose to reenter to help the world. When someone reaches enlightement like the Buddha then they will become an angel etc., a higher order of being.
wow!! I coulda been a "Hemp" plant... in a past life . some or many seeker's could have "inhaled me" to reach enlightment..thats so cool. :rofl:
 
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merak said:
wow!! I coulda been a "Hemp" plant... in a past life . some or many seeker's could have "inhaled me" to reach enlightment..thats so cool. :rofl:
You can't reach enlightement by taking drugs. It is after all one of the main rules in buddhism not to cloud your mind by drugs or alcohol. When you take drugs you halucinate not meditate.
 
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dave19903652 said:
You can't reach enlightement by taking drugs. It is after all one of the main rules in buddhism not to cloud your mind by drugs or alcohol. When you take drugs you halucinate not meditate.

if buddah said that then it must be true.
 
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