Airlines ousource maintenance

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Just when I thought the outsourcing of jobs to other countries had hit a peak, I find this little gem.

quote: JetBlue, Southwest, America West, Northwest and United are among the carriers who outsource major maintenance of their aircraft to contractors in other countries, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal.quote:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/airline_maintenance.html [Broken]

Do El Salvador mechanics have an FAA approved A&P (airframe and Power plant) certification from the FAA? I really doubt that. Has anyone heard about this?
 
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loseyourname
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Given that I can fly to New York for about the same amount of money it costs me to drive down to LA, I'm not complaining.
 
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I find it irritating enough when I call up the airline to ask if they have a military discount for my fiance (because they never list them on the website) and don't speak to someone who is articulate with English. I understand they need jobs too but this is getting a bit annoying.

~Kitty
 
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Airfare is still expensive though. It took us 2 1/2 hours to find an airfare that would fit in our alotted budget. I don't see how outsourcing the maintanence jobs is going to help the consumers the way economists are saying it does if they don't lower the price of their tickets.

~Kitty
 
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misskitty said:
I find it irritating enough when I call up the airline to ask if they have a military discount for my fiance (because they never list them on the website) and don't speak to someone who is articulate with English. I understand they need jobs too but this is getting a bit annoying.

~Kitty
They have been outsourcing ticketing and booking for some time now, but engine maintenance being done in south America is the pits from my point of view.
 
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loseyourname said:
Given that I can fly to New York for about the same amount of money it costs me to drive down to LA, I'm not complaining.
You are not complaining because you only think you are not paying. The FAA has to send hundreds of inspectors to those countries and the taxpayers pick up the tab.
 
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edward said:
You are not complaining because you only think you are not paying. The FAA has to send hundreds of inspectors to those countries and the taxpayers pick up the tab.
I haven't paid any taxes in three years.
 
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misskitty said:
Airfare is still expensive though.
Not on Jet Blue and Southwest, it isn't.
 
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It was for southwest when we were looking. I haven't heard of Jet Blue so I don't know. The fare from Southwest was over $400 and that was in coach!

~Kitty
 
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misskitty said:
It was for southwest when we were looking. I haven't heard of Jet Blue so I don't know. The fare from Southwest was over $400 and that was in coach!

~Kitty
I suppose it depends on where you're going. I managed to fly home for $29 once on Southwest. Edit: That's Oakland to LAX, by the way. In contrast, it takes about $90 worth of gas to drive home.
 
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That was after I priced it out on their website. When he tried to price it out he put in the same info I did and got an even higher price. It seems like they can't be consistant.

~Kitty
 
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I find it does depend on when and where you are flying from, but over $400 for a coach seat on an early flight seems ludrious in my mind.

What is the point of outsourcing jobs that we have here in the states anyway? There are plenty of aeronautical mechanics in the US who need jobs.

~Kitty
 
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misskitty said:
What is the point of outsourcing jobs that we have here in the states anyway? There are plenty of aeronautical mechanics in the US who need jobs.

~Kitty
There's plenty of out of work telemarketers too. The reason for the outsourcing is that they can pay people to do it for cheaper overseas, lay off american workers, and give their executives nice fat bonuses.
 
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Well, the most I ever paid to fly on either of those airlines was $129 to go from LAX to JFK on Jet Blue. As long as you book in advance, both always seem to have great fares, at least from my experience. Where were you going when you had this problem?

I've gotta say, I swear by Southwest. I was flying from LAX to BWI a couple years back and had a really bad ear infection so that my hearing was impaired. They were incredibly helpful, allowing me to preboard and bumping me to first class.
 
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There's plenty of out of work telemarketers too. The reason for the outsourcing is that they can pay people to do it for cheaper overseas, lay off american workers, and give their executives nice fat bonuses.
Telemarketers work on commission. What's the benefit in outsourcing a telemarketer?
 
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loseyourname said:
Telemarketers work on commission. What's the benefit in outsourcing a telemarketer?
Because telemarketers from India work for a significantly smaller commissions.

Why do you think the telemarkter or tech support you hear all the time now is speaking with a thick Indian accent?
 
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loseyourname said:
Given that I can fly to New York for about the same amount of money it costs me to drive down to LA, I'm not complaining.
I believe this to be short-term thinking. I won't shop at Wal-Mart to save a few cents because I believe in the long run they will destroy competition in America. In general I believe people who look out for themselves and never give back to their communities/country will pay a price one way or another.
 
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loseyourname said:
Well, the most I ever paid to fly on either of those airlines was $129 to go from LAX to JFK on Jet Blue. As long as you book in advance, both always seem to have great fares, at least from my experience. Where were you going when you had this problem?

I've gotta say, I swear by Southwest. I was flying from LAX to BWI a couple years back and had a really bad ear infection so that my hearing was impaired. They were incredibly helpful, allowing me to preboard and bumping me to first class.
My fiance was flying from Boston to Nashville. We were looking to book the flight 3 weeks in adavance.

~Kitty
 
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TRCSF said:
Because telemarketers from India work for a significantly smaller commissions.

Why do you think the telemarkter or tech support you hear all the time now is speaking with a thick Indian accent?
There are all kinds of jobs being outsourced including high tech.

By TODD BISHOP
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

A Seattle-based labor union says newly surfaced documents show that Microsoft Corp. has looked to outsource to Indian companies high-level jobs in software architecture and development.

The union, WashTech, says the previously confidential agreements between Microsoft and Indian outsourcing companies Infosys Technologies and Satyam Computer Services debunk the popular notion that only lower-level technology positions are vulnerable to outsourcing.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/178021_msftindia09.html

The loss of jobs is bad in itself. But when we outsource high tech, we dumb down America.
 
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misskitty said:
My fiance was flying from Boston to Nashville. We were looking to book the flight 3 weeks in adavance.

~Kitty
So did he ever get there?
 
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I believe this to be short-term thinking. I won't shop at Wal-Mart to save a few cents because I believe in the long run they will destroy competition in America. In general I believe people who look out for themselves and never give back to their communities/country will pay a price one way or another.
I try to be conscientious with every purchase I make. I buy my food from farmers markets, use green cleaners and toiletries, have a bio-diesel pickup, and get my clothes from second hand stores. So many corporations claim to be community and green oriented but with a little digging I find out it is just cosmetic for PR purposes.

There are no easy solutions. The people with wealth and power will continue to accumulate more wealth and power. And that means outsourcing everything.

As long as corporations have the same rights as people, corporations will have control, because they have the most money and the strongest lobbies. If the people want control of their government they must take it back from the corporatist elite, otherwise known as George W. Bush's "base"!

I think Outsider said it best:

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YES, I believe that America is poised for world domination, but the American People (in general) will be used to acquire this success, but will not really share in the rewards (although this is what they will want you to think). The reward for the people is freedom, safety and security (things that monetary values cannot be placed, or better referred to as those things that money can't buy). But call me crazy, or call me a visionary, I believe the ultimate goal is social slavery and building the ultimate business machine.
 
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Since the majority of posters here are most likely not A&P airline mechanics, nor telemarketers, I doubt that they get the gravity of the situation.

The trends in outsourcing indicate that we are in big
Sh@t. A few years back when the blue collar jobs (nearly 20 millon) dissappeared, we were told we were going to have a service economy, retrain go back to school and learn technology.

We older Americans did. Now those jobs are disappearing. And the jobs are leaving the country by the thousands per year just like the factory jobs did.

India is doing every kind of service job immaginable. Every thing from: U.S. income tax preparation to software writing to processing medical insurance claims.

A few years back a person who had a reasnonably good knowledge of HTML always had a job. Ah but no more, his job was sent to Bangalor.

OK I done ranting now. The link below has some good info on outsourcing, but most will probably be too busy to see where their jobs will be in a few years.
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Norma_Sherry/out_sourcing_america-job%20loss%20and%20unemployment.htm [Broken]
 
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Sounds pretty bleak - unemployment must be awful today....
 
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TRCSF said:
There's plenty of out of work telemarketers too. The reason for the outsourcing is that they can pay people to do it for cheaper overseas, lay off american workers, and give their executives nice fat bonuses.
eBay outsources to india... the responses are mostly canned... makes it easy enough :devil:
 
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SOS2008 said:
I believe this to be short-term thinking. I won't shop at Wal-Mart to save a few cents because I believe in the long run they will destroy competition in America. In general I believe people who look out for themselves and never give back to their communities/country will pay a price one way or another.
When you're going to college and you don't even work, you take the lowest fare. Period.

By the way, Southwest has done amazing things in reinvigorating the airline industry and being a model of what the industry should be, maintaining profitability when other airlines were being bailed out by federal subsidies. I have no shame flying with them.
 

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