Prove All Numbers Equal: No 0 Needed!

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In summary, the conversation discusses a proof that all numbers are equal without involving 0, which is achieved by manipulating equations and taking square roots. However, there is an error in the second line and it is eventually discovered that a must equal b for the equality to hold. The conversation also touches on the concept of square roots and the difference between positive and negative solutions.
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All numbers are equal :D

heres the latest proof and it doesn't involve 0 anywhere. no term like (a-b) is involved unlike other similar proofs

-ab = -ab
=> a^2 - a^2 - ab = b^2 - b^2 - ab
=> a^2 - a(a+b) = b^2 - b(a+b)
=> a^2 - a(a+b) + (a+b)^2/4 = b^2 - b(a+b) + (a+b)^2/4

as (x-y)^2 = x^2 - 2xy + y^2,

[a - (a+b)/2]^2 = [b - (a+b)/2]^2

taking square roots,

a - (a+b)/2 = b - (a+b)/2
a = b

hence proved :D

now with all numbers having been proved equal without involving "0" anywhere, what's the need to study anything :D

just noticed, this is my 1st post here after 7 years :eek:
 
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You can't take square roots. x^2 = y^2 does not imply x = y
If it did, this would have been your 7th post after 1 year.
 
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Your second line contains an error. You added a^2 - a^2 to one side of the equation, but b^2 - b^2 to the other side. The only way for this to leave the equality unchanged is for a to equal b... so it's no surprise that you find out later that a = b.

- Warren
 
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amits said:
=> a^2 - a^2 - ab = b^2 - b^2 - ab

This is the same as
a^2 + b^2 - ab = b^2 + a^2 - ab , which don't think should create any problems.
 
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amits said:
[a - (a+b)/2]^2 = [b - (a+b)/2]^2

taking square roots,

a - (a+b)/2 = b - (a+b)/2
This is your error. Taking square roots leads to

a-(a+b)/2=b-(a+b)/2
or
a-(a+b)/2=-(b-(a+b)/2)

The former yields a=b. The latter yields a+b=a+b.
 
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chroot said:
Your second line contains an error. You added a^2 - a^2 to one side of the equation, but b^2 - b^2 to the other side. The only way for this to leave the equality unchanged is for a to equal b... so it's no surprise that you find out later that a = b.

- Warren
That step is correct. It's just adding zero to each side.
 
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chroot said:
Your second line contains an error. You added a^2 - a^2 to one side of the equation, but b^2 - b^2 to the other side. The only way for this to leave the equality unchanged is for a to equal b... so it's no surprise that you find out later that a = b.

- Warren

it isn't an error. i added a^2 + b^2 to both sides

-ab = -ab
a^2 + b^2 - ab = a^2 + b^2 - ab

a^2 - a^2 - ab = b^2 - b^2 - ab

also a^2 - a^2 = 0 & b^2 - b^2 = 0, so adding that doesn't make a difference
 
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Jimmy Snyder said:
You can't take square roots. x^2 = y^2 does not imply x = y
If it did, this would have been your 7th post after 1 year.

yes, you are right. a number always has 2 square roots, 1 positive & 1 negative
 
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You got it wrong.
2^2 = (-2)^2
when you have sqr root you have to have either + or - sign. you only considered + sign. Consider - sign and you will get a+b = a+b
 

1. What is the concept behind "Prove All Numbers Equal: No 0 Needed!"?

The concept behind "Prove All Numbers Equal: No 0 Needed!" is that all numbers can be proven to be equal without using the number 0 in any calculations or proofs.

2. Why is it important to prove that all numbers are equal without using 0?

It is important to prove that all numbers are equal without using 0 because it demonstrates the universality and equality of numbers, regardless of their value or origin. It also challenges traditional mathematical conventions and promotes critical thinking.

3. How can all numbers be proven equal without using 0?

All numbers can be proven equal without using 0 by using mathematical operations and properties such as addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, and the distributive and associative properties. This requires creative thinking and finding alternative ways to solve equations without using 0.

4. What are some examples of proofs that demonstrate the equality of numbers without using 0?

Examples of proofs that demonstrate the equality of numbers without using 0 include the following: proving that any number multiplied by 1 is equal to itself, showing that the sum of two even numbers is always even, and proving that any number minus itself is always equal to 0.

5. How does proving all numbers equal without 0 impact the field of mathematics?

Proving all numbers equal without 0 challenges traditional mathematical conventions and encourages critical thinking and creativity. It also highlights the universality and equality of numbers, leading to potential advancements and discoveries in the field of mathematics.

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