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America Lectures China Again

  1. Aug 19, 2005 #1
    America Lectures China .... Again

    Well it appears the Pot is again talking at the Kettle:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/politics/19china.html?th&emc=th

    I will always wonder where this woman gets her gall when she is a representative of the larges Military power in the world who boasts the 'longest undefended border in the world' with Canada and a 4 state 15' high fence with Mexico who have something akin to sopwith camels and derringers in arms and SHE says China's arms look 'outsiized for its regional interests'.

    Duh!!!

    When the USSR was going to arm Cuba in the 60's, they were threatened by the USA.

    So far, the USA has armed Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines.

    And China's reaction has been??? Anybody ... Anybody ... Beueller? :zzz:

    The USA also apears on the WORLD Human rights report ... a fact they try to hide by publishing their own report on China every year ... Which for some reason was skipped this year ... some say to stop the derrisive laughter that would have driven them from the floor.

    Now by 'a problem for the international economy' what does she mean?

    That she didn't like it when the USA was told to cut it out with the application of tarriffs to goods by the WTO? You remember the steel dumping accusations?

    I find it interesting that the antisuccession law is ranked with the purchases of Maytag and Unocal. Is this a bit of a skewed perception?

    Not content with withdrawing from the UN, it seems the WTO also seems to have fallen by the wayside.

    Kind of like Kyoto too, in a way... 'If It costs America what they rightly owe, we want no part of it.'

    Ummm ... So what? We are not talking about China here. We are talking about the free market in the USA are we not?

    So why did government programs the world over get screwed when ENRON collapsed? ... They had investments in the company.

    So governments can't own stocks in oil companies?

    Who says?

    Besides, the resources this company owns are in Myanmar ... what part of the USA is Myanmar?

    Also, the USA is developing drilling operations IN CHINA!?

    Extorts???

    Let's see ... you want access to THEIR markets!?

    So tell them you won't pay the price and walk away.

    Feel like shutting them down for good in the USA? Ban all Chinese goods.

    Go for it.

    Then we'll check back in 10 years and see how you're doing.


    Talk about spin ... there's so much English on this, I had to type it with a cockney accent. :yuck:
     
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  3. Aug 19, 2005 #2
    So... basically more "You're different from us! We don't want to tolerate that, but have no choice".
     
  4. Aug 19, 2005 #3
    :rofl: thanks I needed that. By the way the fence between Mexico and the USA only has a small portion built. For the life of me at this point I can't understand why after exporting so many jobs to China we don't want to lose Maytag.

    Now Unocal was a different matter. You can have our jobs, and you can buy our T-bills but no way are you going to get our oil. Americans are very protective of their oil because we drive around a lot. We will burn a gallon of gas to drive to a store just to buy a quart of milk. Oil was invented in Texas you know, and we aren't about to let anyone mess with Texas. :wink:

    Hells bells we even start wars with small countries over oil.

    Seriously, well partially serious. The next time China wants to buy an American company, open up a business in a small office in the Cayman Islands. Name the new business anything that sounds western.

    You can then buy and sell anything you want. Halliburton has been getting away with it for years. :biggrin:
     
  5. Aug 20, 2005 #4

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    :rofl: :rofl: This made my morning .... thanks ! Can they really be serious when making these statements .... unfortunately I'd say yes :grumpy: .
     
  6. Aug 20, 2005 #5
    Hmmmm .... Check this out:
    So, you blocked the Unocal purchase so they couldn't buy back their own oil refinery!?

    Just what was this xeonophobic 'bill of goods' sold to the American people by their government? :surprised
     
  7. Aug 20, 2005 #6

    loseyourname

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    Oil was invented in Pennsylvania, not Texas.
     
  8. Aug 20, 2005 #7

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    Discovered, loseyourname, discovered. See the general physics section for a thread on the difference. :biggrin:
     
  9. Aug 20, 2005 #8
    Don't play pretendedly! You are not Chinese, I have looked through your intention. This plot is obvious to infuriate people or test people.
     
  10. Aug 20, 2005 #9
    Yeah right ... Who said I WAS Chinese?

    You wouldn't be one of these racists that believes that people who live in a location are not allowed to express an opinion are you?

    What I did was point out obvious contradictions and omissions.

    What YOU did however is called an ad hominem attack.

    I suggest you look it up before you continue here.
     
  11. Aug 20, 2005 #10
    I dont see how him not being chinese has anything to do with this. Im chinese btw and i think most chinese dont give a sh*t about stuff thats happening in the world anyway.Besides, do you have any objections to his points??
     
  12. Aug 20, 2005 #11
    I don't see a barage of infuriated people posting repiles. Testing people is good, it makes them think.

    TSM's posts are biased in China's favor. Then again most posts are biased for or against something. Even the biased posts make people think and thus those people are more likely to contribute to a thread.

    It would be sooo boring if we all thought alike.
     
  13. Aug 20, 2005 #12
    When I stated that "oil was invented in Texas" it was quite tongue in cheek. I should have put a :tongue2: or a :wink: at the end of the sentence.
     
  14. Aug 21, 2005 #13

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    Or my take would be that since they don't have the usual biases they may appear so for some observers :biggrin: .
     
  15. Aug 21, 2005 #14
    I agree. TSM's post may have been satirical. but it was not biased.

    Bias
    n.
    A preference that prohibites impartial judgement.

    (paraphrased from dictionary.com)
     
  16. Aug 21, 2005 #15

    Why do say you are in Suzhou China?

    Your sayings are obvious to infuriate Chinese, I feel you have jim crowism to Chinese.
     
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  17. Aug 21, 2005 #16
    You obviously don't understand what that field that says 'Location' stands for do you?

    Location means 'Where you are'.

    I have lived in Suzhou for 2 years now. I live just outside the gates of Soochow (Suzhou) University and have been known to give lectures there on occasion as part of their MBA program.

    I feel you are a d!ckhead but I don't say that because I know this would be an ad hominem attack which is considered 'bad form' around here.

    Like I said, look it up and then come back and post something meaningful.

    If you truly understand what I said in my original post, you would understand that I am quoting Condie and the very fact that her country is guilty of most of the things she accuses the Chinese of doing.
     
  18. Aug 22, 2005 #17
    Reflexively, our Chinese know clearly on the sin of America.
    Especially we don't like American because of Taiwan problem.
    Also, our Asian thinks American and West racism is severe, especially on the political view articles to China and East Asia, distorting the fact.
     
  19. Aug 22, 2005 #18
    My opinion is only reflecting our Chinese and Asian views, no bias, we think USA is an imperialism contry, we don't like it.
     
  20. Aug 22, 2005 #19

    EL

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    Who are "we"? Are you talking for all chinese?
     
  21. Aug 22, 2005 #20
    Many of us.

    I can abstract my historic knowledge to this.

    America invaded Korea, is wanting to invade and obsess the regime of China and Soviet, to break socialism and control Asia.
    American Taiwan problem is wanting to press China.
    America invading Vietnam is wanting to invade China and control the Asia to press Soviet and China.
     
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