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America the scapegoat?

  1. Jun 9, 2004 #1
    Is the United States a target simply because for the first time in history there is a true world power (the U. S.), who is expected to solve all global problems, without disrespecting outsiders, and must adhere to a higher standard than other nations?

    Please tell me if you know of another country held to the same expectations as the United States. Personally, I am ashamed of the attack on Iraq, and believe that the majority of Americans also are. Don't consider America only as an agglomeration than individuals with many differences and commonalities they are willing to share. I admit that we could do a heck of lot better, but who else is providing a role model? Let them step up.
     
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  3. Jun 9, 2004 #2

    kat

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    I'm more ashamed for those who used the oil for food program to fill their own pockets and were willing to turn their backs on the Iraqi people as long as they were making money on Saddam being in power. When are you people going throw around the same vitriolic claims about that as you do the U.S.? Who in YOUR govenrments/countries filled their pockets on the lives of Iraqis while abusing the oil for food program?
     
  4. Jun 9, 2004 #3
    What Have They Solved?

    Loren Booda wrote;
    "Is the United States a target simply because for the first time in history there is a true world power (the U. S.), who is expected to solve all global problems,..."

    I would ask you to inform me of JUST ONE problem they have solved?
    I can think of ABSOLUTE ZERO.

    Kat seems to have had a thought!;
    "I'm more ashamed for those who used the oil for food program to fill their own pockets and were willing to turn their backs on the Iraqi people as long as they were making money on Saddam being in power."

    http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040321-101405-2593r.htm

    The French and the Russians were making money off the oil (of course they were!). They had LEGAL deals with the government of Iraq.
     
  5. Jun 9, 2004 #4

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    this explains the anger and delusional rantings. What kind of people really think like this?

    Li'l tidbit..the "legal deal" (subjective opinion BTW) and the Oil for food issue...2 different subjects..just an FYI..maybe you forgot because those "natural drugs" were interfering with your analytical abilities.
     
  6. Jun 9, 2004 #5
    Kat;

    You are a first-rate candidate for Prozac/Lovan.

    I BET YOU HAVE BEEN PRESCRIBED SOME FORM OF PSYCHIATRIC MEDICATION IN YOUR LIFE BY A DOCTOR!
     
  7. Jun 9, 2004 #6

    kat

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    lol, using all caps is a sign of emotional instability....not to mention..rude, yelling and all that..
    Please wipe the dribble off your bottom lip. There..now, that's a good boy.
     
  8. Jun 9, 2004 #7

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    Simply put, there isn't one. And I'm ok with that.
     
  9. Jun 9, 2004 #8
    I again request an answer (ONLY ONE);

    Loren Booda wrote;
    "Is the United States a target simply because for the first time in history there is a true world power (the U. S.), who is expected to solve all global problems,..."

    I would ask you to inform me of JUST ONE problem they have solved?
    I can think of ABSOLUTE ZERO.

    Come on Russ, Kat...
    Just one...
     
  10. Jun 10, 2004 #9
    I can hear the Crickets chirping.........

















    Hell, will freeze over before I get an answer on this one.........




















    Chirp, chirp, chirp.........
     
  11. Jun 10, 2004 #10

    kat

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    Well..I used to think that the creation of the internet would solve a lot of problems..but then I see the disinformation and crap spread around on it by people like you..and then I have to rethink that...hmmm
     
  12. Jun 10, 2004 #11

    russ_watters

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    The first problem we faced as the leader of the western world was rebuilding Europe. That was an unqualified success.
     
  13. Jun 10, 2004 #12
    Rebuilding Europe?

    Fantasia is a wonderful place.

    Pray tell, what was rebuilt?

    Not counting Berlin Walls, NATO Alliances.
    You're not honestly going to say that America reconstructed Europe?
    If you are, you're wrong...
     
  14. Jun 10, 2004 #13
    Bit of Extra Genocide...

    I do recall the Americans exterminating the Partisan Avengers (after the end of World War II).
     
  15. Jun 10, 2004 #14
    Wonderful American Actions Since WWII (I'll List 55!)

    I've posted this before, but cop-it once more...

    We have ONE (DUBIOUS action) so far. Put forward by faithful Russ.

    Here's my list (I didn't write it - but I've checked it ALL out);

    Heres the American style;
    CIA and USA military Terrorist Actions since WWII;
    http://www.word-power.co.uk/catalogue/1842773690
    1. China 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-Tung just paranoid?
    2. Italy 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style
    3. Greece 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state
    4. The Philippines 1940s and 1950s: America's oldest colony
    5. Korea 1945-1953: Was it all that it appeared to be?
    6. Albania 1949-1953: The proper English spy
    7. Eastern Europe 1948-1956: Operation Splinter Factor
    8. Germany 1950s: Everything from juvenile delinquency to terrorism
    9. Iran 1953: Making it safe for the King of Kings
    10. Guatemala 1953-1954: While the world watched
    11. Costa Rica mid-1950s: Trying to topple an ally, Part one
    12. Syria 1956-1957: Purchasing a new government
    13. The Middle East 1957-1958: The Eisenhower Doctrine claims another backyard for America
    14. Indonesia 1957-1958:War and pornography
    15. Western Europe 1950s and 1960s: Fronts within fronts within fronts
    16. British Guiana 1953-1964: The CIA's international labour Mafia
    17. Soviet Union late 1940s to 1960s: From spy planes to book publishing
    18. Italy 1950s to 1970s: Supporting the Cardinal's orphans and techno-fascism
    19. Vietnam 1950-1973: The Hearts and Minds Circus
    20. Cambodia 1955-1973: Prince Sihanouk walks the high-wire of neutralism
    21. Laos 1957-1973: L'Armee Clandestine
    22. Haiti 1959-1963: The marines land, again
    23. Guatemala 1960: One good coup deserves another
    24. France/Algeria 1960s: L'etat, c'est la CIA
    25. Ecuador 1960-1963: A textbook of dirty tricks
    26. The Congo 1960-1964: The Assassination of Patrice Lumumba
    27. Brazil 1961-1964: Introducing the marvellous new world of death squads
    28. Peru 1960-1965: Fort Bragg moves to the jungle
    29. Dominican Republic 1960-1966: Saving democracy from communism by getting rid of democracy
    30. Cuba 1959-1980s: The unforgivable revolution
    31. Indonesia 1965: Liquidating President Sukarno…and 500,000 others. East Timor 1975: and 200,000 more
    32. Ghana 1966: Kwame Nkrumah steps out of line
    33. Uruguay 1964-1970: Torture - as American as apple pie
    34. Chile 1964-1973: A hammer and sickle stamped on your child's forehead
    35. Greece 1964-1974: '**** your Parliament and your Constitution,' said the President of the United States
    36. Bolivia 1964-1975: Tracking down Che Guevara in the land of coup d'etat
    37. Guatemala 1962 to 1980s: A less publicised 'final solution'
    38. Costa Rica 1970-1971: Trying to topple an ally, Part two
    39. Iraq 1972-1975: Covert action should not be confused with missionary work
    40. Australia 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust
    41. Angola 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game
    42. Zaire 1975-1978: Mobutu and the CIA, a marriage made in heaven
    43. Jamaica 1976-1980: Kissinger's ultimatum
    44. Seychelles 1979-1981: Yet another area of great strategic importance
    45. Grenada 1979-1984: Lying - one of the few growth industries in Washington
    46. Morocco 1983: A video nasty
    47. Suriname 1982-1984: Once again, the Cuban bogeyman
    48. Libya 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan meets his match
    49. Nicaragua 1981-1990: Destabilisation in slow motion
    50. Panama 1969-1991: Double-crossing our drug supplier
    51. Bulgaria 1990: Teaching Communists what democracy is all about
    52. Iraq 1990-1991: Desert holocaust
    53. Afghanistan 1979-1992: America's Jihad
    54. El Salvador 1980-1994: Human rights, Washington style
    55. Haiti 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this man?

    NEED I SAY MORE?
     
  16. Jun 10, 2004 #15
    answer a question Nommos: how was the 90-91 gulf war a terrorist military desert holocaust? LOL
     
  17. Jun 10, 2004 #16

    THE HIGHWAY OF DEATH!! IT WAS A CIA/MOSSAD CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!! AAHHHHH, MY FOIL HAT!!!


    Normally I wouldn't go this far, but Nommos has already put this thread on such a fringe :)
     
  18. Jun 10, 2004 #17

    Njorl

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    I think most of the wealthy, democratic countries are held to the same high standard for their actions. The US is more active than other countries. Inactivity, when it is wrong, is rarely criticized. When it is, the entire world, or the UN is criticized for inactivity, diffusing it. Active mistakes (or even correct actions) are much more harshly criticized.

    Compare the criticism about Iraq to that concerning the Rwandan genocide. The US, France and the Netherlands all were in a position to unilaterally stop it. None of the three acted. Even accepting the worst case description of the war in Iraq, the Rwandan genocide was monumentally worse. Yet, the criticism is non-existant by comparisson.

    In a different vane, I personally hold the US to a higher standard, because what it does, it does in my name. The tortures at Abu Ghraib were worse than other torture (to me) because I paid to have it done. If I don't do something about it, it becomes my torture. I don't want that. It isn't so much that I hold the US to a higher standard, as it is my duty to uphold that standard.

    Njorl
     
  19. Jun 10, 2004 #18

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    Kat,
    Originally, I was horrified by the initial evidence. Since then, it has been revealed that every bit of documentary evidence implicating UN or foreign entities in the scandal has come from Ahmed Chalabi. There has not been one shred of corroborating evidence from any other source. Considering that, in all likelihood, Chalabi is an Iranian intelligence asset, I think it is not wise to accept his evidence at face value. No nation in the world has more reason to discredit and weaken the UN then Iran.

    The US is certainly in no position to pressure Iran to give up its nuclear weapons program. Our president has destroyed our credibilty in this matter. If the UN is discredited as well, then it and the IAEA will also have no credibility.

    Njorl
     
  20. Jun 10, 2004 #19
    Njorl,

    Thanks for your usual balanced commentary. Any other comparisons to the Rwandan genocide or to similar global ignorance out there?

    Nommos,

    When 21st century propaganda suddenly divulges an overarching conspiracy by Americans to restrain the world, without much responsibility by other first world countries, it seems somewhat a confabulation of those "peace" drugs gone to war. What would have been the effect of us not having intervened in the conflicts you mentioned?

    I suggest a revision of your own country's history, including the destruction of the Aboriginal culture and people. What else can Australia lay claim to, or are you all immaculate? Can you point that all-knowing finger at your own people? Give up the lotus.
     
  21. Jun 10, 2004 #20
    Now seeing as to how I am an American who lives next to American military base in Germany I can say the America did a real good job in turning the tables of World War II when France collapsed and Britian was nearly out of resources. Also Yeah there was a Berlin Wall but there was also a Berlin airlift. Also, where is the Berlin Wall today??? Yeah there is Nato but there also was Wilson's fourteen points. Speaking of which answer this question "Who started/founded the United Nations?" Wait, we are doing real good in the Phillippines, Afghanastan, Colombia, Indonesia, and even Iraq (which has lasted a year so far and things are a million times better). Why don't you do something other than look at the dirty liberal headlines and reading things off of liberal websites and learn about the real situations. I highly doubt that you know anything about foriegn policy. D.I.M.E. do you know about that? All of those "terrorist attacks" that you listed how many of them do you really know about? Why did the U.S. take the action they did? How do you justify something as a terrorist attack when it benefited the people of that country?What ones can you explain? Where did you even get this kind of information? Why don't you actually learn something then argue your side of the fence because you really aren't putting any real points out on the table. America has solved alot. Learn your facts.
     
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