American drinking age,

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IMO, if you get caught with the slightest bit of alcohol in your system you should loose your license for the rest of your life, or at least several years. None of this 6 month suspension BS.
And if you are caught doing 0.000000001 mph over the speed limit the same thing should apply?
If your tires/brake disks are 1nm under the maximum?
If 1mm^2 of your windscreen is blocked / covered by condensation?

Don't solve the problem - just add more knee-jerk responses.
 
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IMO, if you get caught with the slightest bit of alcohol in your system you should loose your license for the rest of your life, or at least several years. None of this 6 month suspension BS.

Oh, yeah good idea, especially with pigs like http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2007/12/16/news/community/1aaa02_cox.txt" [Broken] around.
 
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As someone who wasn't old enough to drink yet, but old enough to be aware of what others that age were doing when the legal drinking age was changed, I actually think it's good to keep it at 21. Actually, I guess any age higher than 18 would be okay. Mostly, it's because it gives people a little time to adjust to the freedoms and responsibilities of being a legal adult before adding something to the mix that is known for inspiring bad judgement. And, in recognizing that it's never possible to eliminate underaged drinking, as well as realizing that most alcohol provided to minors is acquired through friends of theirs who are of age, when you make the legal drinking age 21, most of the underage access to alcohol is still primarily only getting to those who are over 18 and close in age to the 21 year olds. I think this is better than having alcohol use rampant among immature high school students. There's still a problem there, but not like it was when I was near that age.

Did I make any sense at all? :uhh:

If high school students are immature it's because american society has made them so. They are simply playing out the role that has relatively recently been forced upon them.
 
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As I recall, the drinking age was raised to 18 mainly because of something about teenagers drinking and driving. Maybe if we raised the driving age to 21, there might be more political support for lowering the drinking age to 18. I'm not saying I support this approach, mind you, but as a practical/political reality I think it's the only way it could happen right now.

It was raised in the 80's to 21 to get political brownie points from nut-case groups like MADD.
 
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not enough responses to part 2) of my OP
 
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If high school students are immature it's because american society has made them so. They are simply playing out the role that has relatively recently been forced upon them.

I agree.

Putting a social role onto someone is definitely a strong influence.
 
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It was raised in the 80's to 21 to get political brownie points from nut-case groups like MADD.

A "nut-case" group of mothers had more clout than lobbyists from the alcohol industry?

You are partly true, but the law wouldn't have been signed just because of MADD, alone. They sure gave a triumphant, grass-roots, underdog appearance to the signing, though.
 
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If only those mothers put the same amount of effort into teaching their kids to drink responsibly?
 
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As someone who wasn't old enough to drink yet, but old enough to be aware of what others that age were doing when the legal drinking age was changed, I actually think it's good to keep it at 21. Actually, I guess any age higher than 18 would be okay. Mostly, it's because it gives people a little time to adjust to the freedoms and responsibilities of being a legal adult before adding something to the mix that is known for inspiring bad judgement.

Then make it 16. According to your logic.

I think it should be 18 though. Most of my friends and I drink almost every weekend anyway. Im 18 by the way.
 
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If high school students are immature it's because american society has made them so. They are simply playing out the role that has relatively recently been forced upon them.

This is an alarmingly ignorant, irresponsible and immature statement.
 
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I disagree. 100 years ago 14 was adult, you worked (in the coal mines in my ancestors), 50 years ago 16 was adult now adult is pretty much 21.
It's difficult to see how this is good for society - telling 14 year olds that they have to pretend to be children for another 7 years.
 
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If only those mothers put the same amount of effort into teaching their kids to drink responsibly?
Cyrus, I'm sure they would love to, except their children are already dead
 
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Sorry MGB 50 years ago, the legal age in most states was 21. 100 years ago, you went to work very young, that didnt mean you could vote or be considered a adult.
 
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Anyone know how our drinking and driving stats measure up to that of europe with lower drinking age?
 
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This is an alarmingly ignorant, irresponsible and immature statement.

Back up your ignorant, irresponsible, and immature opinion.
 
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Sorry MGB 50 years ago, the legal age in most states was 21. 100 years ago, you went to work very young, that didnt mean you could vote or be considered a adult.

a 100 years ago adulthood was considered reached 15 to 17. In even earlier times, adulthood was considered even younger. However, you are correct that voting was a restricted privilege. In early America, voting was for propertied white males at least 21 years of age. Note, voting was only propertied, white males who were I believe 5 years above the accepted age of adulthood.
 
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Here are two points of interest .

1) The american drinking age is 21 but yet at 18 one can do pretty much everything (and have pretty much everything done to them) imaginable. Although we know that this silly drinking law came into existence in the 80s because of the usual dirty and petty politics, media, politiicans, cops(especially) still act as if under-age drinking is the ultimate evil. Do you think it's time to repeal it? I do.

2) On TV (or anywhere else) extreme violence like arm-breaking, faces oozing with blood, gunshots to the head or eye, heads being chopped off, kids (by kids I mean 5 year olds) fighting in boxing or karate matches, etc is accepted. Just yesterday on TV I saw a real-life robber get shot by police officers with pistols and rifles at close-range and I saw his slumped over body. I found the scene nerving. Yet, if a nip*le -shot (like Janet Jackson's) appears on TV then hell is raised. I strongly disagree that violence should be accommodated while nud*ty (or s*x) should be treated as the ultimate evil. I see no rational thought behind the way things currently are. I wish it was the other way around.


I actually think you're not an adult until you turn 30. I'm in support of raising the voting age and the drinking age to age 30.
 
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I actually think you're not an adult until you turn 30. I'm in support of raising the voting age and the drinking age to age 30.

So, the parents would be responsible for their minor children until 30?
 
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So, the parents would be responsible for their minor children until 30?

Yes. People in their 20's still act like extreme whackos. They need further education before they can make bigger decisions such as drinking and voting. Not that you're immune from ignorance at a certain age, but 30 is the magic number for me. When you're 30 you start to calm down a bit and make better decisions.
 
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Yes. People in their 20's still act like extreme whackos. They need further education before they can make bigger decisions such as drinking and voting. Not that you're immune from ignorance at a certain age, but 30 is the magic number for me. When you're 30 you start to calm down a bit and make better decisions.

Opinion respected, but it looks like women wont have the chance to have kids unless they want to increase the chances of retardation. The men would need viagra.
 
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Opinion respected, but it looks like women wont have the chance to have kids unless they want to increase the chances of retardation. The men would need viagra.


Where is this statement coming from?
 
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Well, I've been drinking milk since the day I was born. Of course, after 6 months, I had to change over to cows milk. Drinking water too. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I've been drinking tea since I was 2 and coffee since I was about 11-12. Still see nothing wrong with that.

Drinking coffee at 11 or 12? A bunch of people think thats wrong believe it or not.
I dont drink cow milk but soy milk because I dont like the way the animals are treated.
 
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Where is this statement coming from?

Okay, theres exaggeration for humor but some truth to it.
 

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